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Post by Jemma Simmons on Feb 23, 2017 12:04:25 GMT
You know, another thing I wonder is how the terrigen got into the wider ecosystem in this altered reality to make Inhumans an issue. I mean, they existed, but were a non-issue before the dropping of the crystals in the ocean. I wonder jow that played out? /Gah! So many things to think about! I guess Hydra were just as interested in the Inhumans as SHIELD was, maybe more so under Whitehall, so possibly the conflict on the aircraft carrier wasn't all that different.
(I have to keep reminding myself that we're thinking about a simulation rather than an actual altered timeline!)
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Post by koos on Feb 23, 2017 15:20:21 GMT
You know, another thing I wonder is how the terrigen got into the wider ecosystem in this altered reality to make Inhumans an issue. I mean, they existed, but were a non-issue before the dropping of the crystals in the ocean. I wonder jow that played out? /Gah! So many things to think about! AIDA only programmed the entire earth. So, there are no aliens. No Kree. No Kree to alter human DNA to create Inhumans. There is no terrigent. So, the Inhumans only excist because AIDA programmed them. That's also why I have a problem with the whole Butterfly theory.:There is no past. She took away the regrets and calculated how the world would look like without their regrets. And programmed that world. Anything alien is just added to the program to make it look like the world as we know it. But there is rational relation possible. It exsist only because it exsist by programming a current calculated status of how the real world would look like. The astronomers of this world detect light coming from the stars far away. But this light is just programmed and comes out of nothing. |
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Post by sigasahab on Feb 23, 2017 15:49:23 GMT
"...The astronomers of this world detect light coming from the stars far away. But this light is just programmed and comes out of nothing."
That's true but the astronomers are just programmed and come out of nothing as well. I'm not sure that things outside the limits of the programme are any less real than things within the programme (if that makes any sense).
It'd be interesting to try doing what Lincoln & Hive did, climbing out of the atmosphere, and seeing if that woke you up.
It'd also be interesting to build another Framework and try plugging yourself into it when you were already in the Framework.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Feb 23, 2017 18:57:39 GMT
If Fitz has chosen her to replace Jemma, she better be smoking hot!  I'm surprised nobody had put forth the possibility that it's Agnes (who is smoking hot). That could make it extra interesting if it creates conflict between Fitz and Radcliffe.  |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Feb 23, 2017 19:12:54 GMT
If the world is good enough, some of them might want to stay. It's like that guy in The Matrix movie. He got out of the matrix, and when he realized how terrible his real life is, he did everything he could to get back INTO the Matrix. Daisy has one heck of a challenge on her hands. How good can the world really be though with Hydra in place of SHIELD? Well, Coulson and his students looked as though they were living in an okay world. (God, I still can't believe I'm talking about Coulson as if he were a teacher). Mack had a Harley, nice house, and his daughter was alive. These two things make me think that world isn't a terrible place to live. They both seemed happy and content. The environment itself seemed fine too. No one hanging from gallows in the middle of the streets. No soldiers in TAC gear patrolling around. So you know, no cliche scenes out of dystopian fiction stories. Maybe in this reality, HYDRA killed off those who they didn't like but then leave the suvivors alone. NOTE: I am not saying this HYDRA world is a good thing: just it doesn't look like a terrible place. It could very well be, and it's just not seen. |
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Post by koos on Feb 23, 2017 19:20:45 GMT
How good can the world really be though with Hydra in place of SHIELD? Well, Coulson and his students looked as though they were living in an okay world. (God, I still can't believe I'm talking about Coulson as if he were a teacher). Mack had a Harley, nice house, and his daughter was alive. These two things make me think that world isn't a terrible place to live. They both seemed happy and content. The world is created to make a handfull of people happy. The rest isn't important because it is fake. Just a program. So, the world is very good. Except for Simmons and Daisy. |
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Post by terminator22 on Feb 23, 2017 19:28:32 GMT
If Fitz has chosen her to replace Jemma, she better be smoking hot! I'm surprised nobody had put forth the possibility that it's Agnes (who is smoking hot). That could make it extra interesting if it creates conflict between Fitz and Radcliffe. Oh god, I would love this to be true! It would also be sweet since Fitz spent so much time working on Aida! |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Feb 23, 2017 19:31:31 GMT
Jus scattered ideas. Thoughts? clearly a lot can be explained by Coulson not joining Shield Yeah, like the fact that HYDRA succeeded at all. |
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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Feb 23, 2017 19:41:09 GMT
How good can the world really be though with Hydra in place of SHIELD? Well, Coulson and his students looked as though they were living in an okay world. (God, I still can't believe I'm talking about Coulson as if he were a teacher). Mack had a Harley, nice house, and his daughter was alive. These two things make me think that world isn't a terrible place to live. They both seemed happy and content. The environment itself seemed fine too. No one hanging from gallows in the middle of the streets. No soldiers in TAC gear patrolling around. So you know, no cliche scenes out of dystopian fiction stories. Maybe in this reality, HYDRA killed off those who they didn't like but then leave the suvivors alone. NOTE: I am not saying this HYDRA world is a good thing: just it doesn't look like a terrible place. It could very well be, and it's just not seen. Just remember that the Framework is created as an illusion to keep the AoS agents pacified and docile so that they want to remain in the Framework. The peace, order and so-called tranquility is all fake and nothing like the world would have been if everyone was denied their freedom. Oddly enough the Framework is masking pain by some means on their individual real bodies by probably stimulating dopamine. IN essence they all are being continually drugged and fed false images and memories. Clearly not a reflection of a realty that they all would fight against in the real world. |
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Post by koos on Feb 23, 2017 19:58:22 GMT
I'm surprised nobody had put forth the possibility that it's Agnes (who is smoking hot). That could make it extra interesting if it creates conflict between Fitz and Radcliffe. Oh god, I would love this to be true! It would also be sweet since Fitz spent so much time working on Aida! Would love it too. But imagine the pain for Agnes if he has to leave the framework? |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Feb 23, 2017 23:36:12 GMT
I'm surprised nobody had put forth the possibility that it's Agnes (who is smoking hot). That could make it extra interesting if it creates conflict between Fitz and Radcliffe. Oh god, I would love this to be true! It would also be sweet since Fitz spent so much time working on Aida! And imagine Simmons' reaction to Fitz being with her after all of his denials of it being anything other than a science project... |
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Post by terminator22 on Feb 24, 2017 13:32:28 GMT
LOL! Well, Jemma shouldn't be too hard on Fitz. He had to "make sure Aida was working properly"!
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 24, 2017 16:21:51 GMT
Maybe in this reality, HYDRA killed off those who they didn't like but then leave the suvivors alone. If Steve Rogers didn't survive in this reality, then the events of Winter Soldier would have happened and Zola's algorithm would have wiped out thousands... |
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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Feb 24, 2017 17:27:26 GMT
Maybe in this reality, HYDRA killed off those who they didn't like but then leave the suvivors alone. If Steve Rogers didn't survive in this reality, then the events of Winter Soldier would have happened and Zola's algorithm would have wiped out thousands... No one would have been wiped out because there would have never had been a need for them to have ever existed. Aida and the Darkworld has created an Alternate Reality but remember it is Virtual. They perceive it to exist while they are experiencing it. The experience is very much like that dream that you swore was real because it felt real but those events never happened. Also everyone in the framework isn't determining their own destinies. Aida and the framework removes their destiny and their ability to cause an outcome. Aida and the Framework continues to reward the Agents with outcomes that support them being happy, content, docile and not wanting to leave. There would be no need for the Framework to provide knowledge of killing millions of people by HYDRA. An interesting thought I just had. Could Aida and the Framework use fear to control the AoS Agents? Fear is the impetus for survival and within the Framework no one survives they just exist. |
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Post by ayanami on Feb 24, 2017 19:02:11 GMT
If Steve Rogers didn't survive in this reality, then the events of Winter Soldier would have happened and Zola's algorithm would have wiped out thousands... No one would have been wiped out because there would have never had been a need for them to have ever existed. Aida and the Darkworld has created an Alternate Reality but remember it is Virtual. They perceive it to exist while they are experiencing it. The experience is very much like that dream that you swore was real because it felt real but those events never happened. Also everyone in the framework isn't determining their own destinies. Aida and the framework removes their destiny and their ability to cause an outcome. Aida and the Framework continues to reward the Agents with outcomes that support them being happy, content, docile and not wanting to leave. There would be no need for the Framework to provide knowledge of killing millions of people by HYDRA. An interesting thought I just had. Could Aida and the Framework use fear to control the AoS Agents? Fear is the impetus for survival and within the Framework no one survives they just exist. But the framework doesn't negate the actual history of the world. It adapted it to remove the participants' regrets - such as Coulson joining Shield, etc. - but otherwise it still seems to be based very much on the real world. Aida even said that she restarted the program at the "regret points" of the newly added people, suggesting that events from those moments onwards did transpire for the people involved. |
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I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 