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Post by nillindeiel on May 1, 2018 20:38:24 GMT
It was the intro scene, though. As far as I can recall, there were no escape pods visible that were getting away from the Asgardian refugee ship in the wake of Thanos' attack. I would have been the easiest thing to show some flying away during the exterior shot of the ship, thereby clearing up the fate of the missing half of Thor's people as well as giving a reasonable out for characters like Valkyrie and Korg. The way it happened on screen created a bit of a plothole that could have easily been avoided. Speaking as someone who literally watched Ragnarok a few hours prior to Infinty War, it was rather jarring to have all those people the one movie really wanted you to care about, only for them to completely disappear in the next. It creates sort of a bitter aftertaste for Ragnarok, as in, why did they even bother? Seriously, as I'm writing this, I can't help but think that Thor should have never returned to Asgard in the first place. That way, Thanos would have needed to go himself to get the Tesseract, only to face off against Hela at full strength. I've heard some people mention that it looks like only half of the Asgardian ship was there in the beginning (I would have to watch the movie again to check myself, though to be honest... I'm not entirely sure I want to see this one in the theater again - might wait for the comfort of home release) |
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Post by haxemon on May 1, 2018 20:54:45 GMT
might wait for the comfort of home release) Or for more substantiated rumors/news that certain characters/actors will be in more movies? I literally thought of you when Bucky said "Steve ... " and was like "oh man, Nillindeiel is going to have feels at this part". How many films (of the 9 he signed for) has Seb been in so far? 4? |
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 21:02:04 GMT
might wait for the comfort of home release) Or for more substantiated rumors/news that certain characters/actors will be in more movies? I literally thought of you when Bucky said "Steve ... " and was like " oh man, Nillindeiel is going to have feels at this part". How many films (of the 9 he signed for) has Seb been in so far? 4? Yeah, not the only one for sure! I was like, "Oh, no, not you, too!"  |
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Post by nillindeiel on May 1, 2018 21:02:57 GMT
might wait for the comfort of home release) Or for more substantiated rumors/news that certain characters/actors will be in more movies? I literally thought of you when Bucky said "Steve ... " and was like "oh man, Nillindeiel is going to have feels at this part". How many films (of the 9 he signed for) has Seb been in so far? 4? Let's see, full blown appearances are CATFA CATWS CACW A:IW The question is whether credit scenes count (I don't think the Ant-Man credit scene would count as that was footage filmed for Civil War that they decided to use)... so it's mainly whether the BP post credit counts. Some actors have had those credit scenes count towards their contract, others have considered them 'favors' |
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Post by aquaangel on May 1, 2018 21:12:39 GMT
If Thanos had met Hela, she might have ended up being what Mistress Death was for him in comics. A fight scene between the two would have been epic though.
Perhaps there is a scene of the escape pod, but it got cut for time? Maybe it will be included in the deleted scenes once it comes out on DVD/blu-Ray?
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 21:36:06 GMT
If Thanos had met Hela, she might have ended up being what Mistress Death was for him in comics. A fight scene between the two would have been epic though. Perhaps there is a scene of the escape pod, but it got cut for time? Maybe it will be included in the deleted scenes once it comes out on DVD/blu-Ray?I assume that's the case, yeah. I recently watched the deleted scenes for The Avengers for the first time and found that several plot holes of that movie, like an explanation for Loki's plan, were clearly explained there. I don't get how something like that can be cut in the first place, but I guess it was the same for Infinity War. |
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Post by haxemon on May 1, 2018 22:27:57 GMT
If Thanos had met Hela, she might have ended up being what Mistress Death was for him in comics. A fight scene between the two would have been epic though. Perhaps there is a scene of the escape pod, but it got cut for time? Maybe it will be included in the deleted scenes once it comes out on DVD/blu-Ray?I assume that's the case, yeah. I recently watched the deleted scenes for The Avengers for the first time and found that several plot holes of that movie, like an explanation for Loki's plan, were clearly explained there. I don't get how something like that can be cut in the first place, but I guess it was the same for Infinity War. I absolutely do not want to start a "plot hole" debate, but what specifically in Avengers did you think was a hole? Or are you more just thinking of details you wondered about? |
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 22:37:42 GMT
I assume that's the case, yeah. I recently watched the deleted scenes for The Avengers for the first time and found that several plot holes of that movie, like an explanation for Loki's plan, were clearly explained there. I don't get how something like that can be cut in the first place, but I guess it was the same for Infinity War. I absolutely do not want to start a "plot hole" debate, but what specifically in Avengers did you think was a hole? Or are you more just thinking of details you wondered about? Stuff like, why did Loki let himself be captured by the Avengers in the first place? If you really think about it, most of his actions in the movie don't really make that much sense and just detract from his main goal. There's an extended scene where he talks to Clint, though, who warns him about Fury bringing his team together and that they could pose a real threat. At that point Loki decides to go up against them, eventually awakening the Hulk, etc. It's not a glaring hole that takes much away from the movie, but I actually have been wondering what the hell Loki's plan even was after his arrival on Earth. Oh, and that they scratched Patterson's Ashley Johnson's scene with Cap outside that café is just unforgivable!  |
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Post by haxemon on May 2, 2018 11:30:16 GMT
Stuff like, why did Loki let himself be captured by the Avengers in the first place? Huh. I guess when Fury says "They why is the only one on this boat who WANTS to be here." and when Nat says "Banner, that's your play" and "Loki plans to unleash the Hulk" I just figured it was clear he needed to be that close to rile everyone up. Banner and everyone else clearly seemed to be agitated when they were gathered near the mind stone and I just figured Loki was causing that. But I can see how more exposition there could make it more clear. |
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Post by ayanami on May 2, 2018 19:14:51 GMT
Stuff like, why did Loki let himself be captured by the Avengers in the first place? Huh. I guess when Fury says "They why is the only one on this boat who WANTS to be here." and when Nat says "Banner, that's your play" and "Loki plans to unleash the Hulk" I just figured it was clear he needed to be that close to rile everyone up. Banner and everyone else clearly seemed to be agitated when they were gathered near the mind stone and I just figured Loki was causing that. But I can see how more exposition there could make it more clear. Okay, now you're just making it sound like I'm entirely stupid.  Yes, the fact that Loki was using the sceptre to unleash the Hulk became perfectly clear in the movie, if not from the argument scene with the team in the lab itself, then when Black Widow said it out loud. And it was also clear that that was the reason why he had let himself be captured. But my "problem" - and I'm not the only one with this issue, look at discussions of the movie online! - was with the question why Loki would even get involved with the Avengers like that at all. Was that his plan from the beginning when he came to Earth? Why didn't he just use his powers to disappear after the he delivered "a distraction, and an eyeball" for Clint in Germany, as we all know he could have? Because the thing is, his actions on the Hellicarrier backfired spectacularly, causing him to lose everything in the end. If he had remained more low-key (huh huh), and had Selvig finish the portal in secret, the world might have ended up being toast. But, as the extended scene proved, Loki didn't have any plans at all to go up against the Avengers, he barely even knew about them. If was only Clint's involvement that spurred him into action, effectively determining the course of the movie. And imo, that's a pretty big thing to just leave out. |
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Post by haxemon on May 2, 2018 22:58:24 GMT
Okay, now you're just making it sound like I'm entirely stupid. Yes, the fact that Loki was using the sceptre to unleash the Hulk became perfectly clear in the movie, if not from the argument scene with the team in the lab itself, then when Black Widow said it out loud. And it was also clear that that was the reason why he had let himself be captured. But my "problem" - and I'm not the only one with this issue, look at discussions of the movie online! - was with the question why Loki would even get involved with the Avengers like that at all. Was that his plan from the beginning when he came to Earth? Why didn't he just use his powers to disappear after the he delivered "a distraction, and an eyeball" for Clint in Germany, as we all know he could have? Because the thing is, his actions on the Hellicarrier backfired spectacularly, causing him to lose everything in the end. If he had remained more low-key (huh huh), and had Selvig finish the portal in secret, the world might have ended up being toast. But, as the extended scene proved, Loki didn't have any plans at all to go up against the Avengers, he barely even knew about them. If was only Clint's involvement that spurred him into action, effectively determining the course of the movie. And imo, that's a pretty big thing to just leave out. LOL this is (in a pleasant way) reminding me of the IMDB days. But didn't Steve and Tony explain the "divide and conquer" thing? Loki also knew about "the solider, the man out of time" and "the mindless beast, makes play he's still a man". So while they don't really say how he found out about them all (Barton or did he know because he'd looked into what it might take to conquer Earth) it seems clear in the theatrical cut, to quote Tony, that "he knows he has to take us out to win". If he learned from Barton in a deleted scene or not that doesn't change much for me. Don't get me wrong, I see the "how it should have ended" opportunity here where Loki does things on the sly. But if his plan was to bring the Chitauri the Avengers would have shown up eventually. And yes his plan backfired but that was merely Loki underestimating them and Fury having great faith in them. |
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Post by ayanami on May 3, 2018 6:59:35 GMT
Okay, now you're just making it sound like I'm entirely stupid. Yes, the fact that Loki was using the sceptre to unleash the Hulk became perfectly clear in the movie, if not from the argument scene with the team in the lab itself, then when Black Widow said it out loud. And it was also clear that that was the reason why he had let himself be captured. But my "problem" - and I'm not the only one with this issue, look at discussions of the movie online! - was with the question why Loki would even get involved with the Avengers like that at all. Was that his plan from the beginning when he came to Earth? Why didn't he just use his powers to disappear after the he delivered "a distraction, and an eyeball" for Clint in Germany, as we all know he could have? Because the thing is, his actions on the Hellicarrier backfired spectacularly, causing him to lose everything in the end. If he had remained more low-key (huh huh), and had Selvig finish the portal in secret, the world might have ended up being toast. But, as the extended scene proved, Loki didn't have any plans at all to go up against the Avengers, he barely even knew about them. If was only Clint's involvement that spurred him into action, effectively determining the course of the movie. And imo, that's a pretty big thing to just leave out. LOL this is (in a pleasant way) reminding me of the IMDB days. But didn't Steve and Tony explain the "divide and conquer" thing? Loki also knew about "the solider, the man out of time" and "the mindless beast, makes play he's still a man". So while they don't really say how he found out about them all (Barton or did he know because he'd looked into what it might take to conquer Earth) it seems clear in the theatrical cut, to quote Tony, that "he knows he has to take us out to win". If he learned from Barton in a deleted scene or not that doesn't change much for me. Don't get me wrong, I see the "how it should have ended" opportunity here where Loki does things on the sly. But if his plan was to bring the Chitauri the Avengers would have shown up eventually. And yes his plan backfired but that was merely Loki underestimating them and Fury having great faith in them. Well, to say it with the movie: Anyway, I think we've been derailing this thread for long enough now and to bring it back on track I'll mention another theory regarding A4 that I read earlier and which kind of chilled me to the bone. Please, don't... |
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Post by aquaangel on May 3, 2018 8:30:43 GMT
I would not worry too much about that theory. To wield the soul stone, you have to kill someone you love. For Tony that would be Pepper, or possibly War Machine. It would never be Cap. I mean, yeah they were somewhat friends, but not enough that it would work for the soul stone.
I do believe Heimdall is 100% gone. Vision could possibly be restored by Shuri. Not sure about Loki. I want him to come back because I love him, but I just don't know. Gamora might come back, but I'm not one hundred percent confident on that at all.
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Post by haxemon on May 3, 2018 12:04:24 GMT
I would not worry too much about that theory. To wield the soul stone, you have to kill someone you love. For Tony that would be Pepper, or possibly War Machine. It would never be Cap. I mean, yeah they were somewhat friends, but not enough that it would work for the soul stone. I do believe Heimdall is 100% gone. Vision could possibly be restored by Shuri. Not sure about Loki. I want him to come back because I love him, but I just don't know. Gamora might come back, but I'm not one hundred percent confident on that at all. Yeah Heimdall and Gamora are as dead as someone can be in a CBM to me. Loki very close and in some ways maybe more since they've brought him back before. Gamora has the best option for coming back given Thanos' grief or something but still seems unlikely to me. Vision is a special case to me given that not only is he an android but Shuri seemed like she was done detaching the mind stone from him or least was very close. So it's easy to imagine something where he's repaired and the damage wasn't systemic. The Tony/Steve theory doesn't fly for me either. |
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Post by ayanami on May 3, 2018 12:29:40 GMT
I would not worry too much about that theory. To wield the soul stone, you have to kill someone you love. For Tony that would be Pepper, or possibly War Machine. It would never be Cap. I mean, yeah they were somewhat friends, but not enough that it would work for the soul stone. I do believe Heimdall is 100% gone. Vision could possibly be restored by Shuri. Not sure about Loki. I want him to come back because I love him, but I just don't know. Gamora might come back, but I'm not one hundred percent confident on that at all. Eh, bros before...   Either way, even if this character combination maybe doesn't exactly fit the bill, I think the idea behind it is still pretty sound. I don't know how The Snap was reversed in the comics, but I can really only see two ways of doing it. Either some form of time travel to make it so it never happened in the first place or a second Snap to make the first undone. As I can't imagine Thanos doing that, it would have to be someone else, who took the gauntlet from him and it seems like a reasonable assumption, that, in order to wield the Soul Stone, the same price would have to be paid as the first time. So how about Bucky having to kill Steve? Or maybe it's Tony, after all, and he has to kill Pepper, like you said. So instead of getting a wedding, he ends up holding a funeral. Talk about a downer ending... Or maybe some other character combination. You name it. As to your list, yeah, I think aside from Heimdall, who's definitely a goner, they're all up in the air to a certain degree. It certainly looks like Loki is gone for good as well, though, given the way he died. It was a perfect conclusion of his character arc - (did I mention that he called himself Odinson?!?) - and he even turned blue in the end. It's like the angel wing shadows on Supernatural. Death confirmed. On the other hand, if Tom were to say that he'd be up for future appearances, I really don't think Marvel would say no, given his character's popularity. But, I don't expect a return in A4. Maybe make it a future Thor movie, where Thor has to go to Valhalla to return Loki from the dead, but I think for the moment he's truly gone. |
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Yes, the fact that Loki was using the sceptre to unleash the Hulk became perfectly clear in the movie, if not from the argument scene with the team in the lab itself, then when Black Widow said it out loud. And it was also clear that that was the reason why he had let himself be captured. But my "problem" - and I'm not the only one with this issue, look at discussions of the movie online! - was with the question why Loki would even get involved with the Avengers like that at all. Was that his plan from the beginning when he came to Earth? Why didn't he just use his powers to disappear after the he delivered "a distraction, and an eyeball" for Clint in Germany, as we all know he could have? Because the thing is, his actions on the Hellicarrier backfired spectacularly, causing him to lose everything in the end. If he had remained more low-key (huh huh), and had Selvig finish the portal in secret, the world might have ended up being toast. 
I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 