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Post by haxemon on May 1, 2018 2:13:11 GMT
Okay so Strange made a deal to spare Stark in exchange for the time stone. What if Stark sacrifices himself in A4 and Thanos kills him? Would that somehow return the time stone? Could someone then use it to reverse everything and stop Thanos?
I'm not sure this would work since whatever they do to stop him could have been done the first time anyway, so really wouldn't require the Stark-time stone reversal. But was thinking about it today.
I firmly believe that in general everyone that vaporized will be back and most who did not will die in A4 trying to fix things. Allowing RDJ, Evans and others to step down and let others take over.
Can't wait until Nillindeiel has processed everything and starts posting her take!
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Post by aquaangel on May 1, 2018 2:41:30 GMT
I don't think it would erase things because it's not like there was a magical contract between Doc and Thanos.
I don't think everyone who survived the snap will die next time, just Cap and Tony (or maybe just one of them). Possibly War Machine if Tony lives, or maybe Pepper. If Stark lives, he will likely lose one of those two. Unless they decide not to kill anyone else permanently and everyone is happily celebrating the wedding at the end.
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Post by haxemon on May 1, 2018 12:17:40 GMT
Yeah I'm not sure if it's a "contract" per se. But when I was discussing with a friend how things would get reversed or adjusted he mentioned that if Stark dies it might come back to that exchange between Strange and Thanos. I can't recall exactly how it was worded but given that this is "bargaining" Strange I could see some correlation between Stark dying and Thanos' claim on the time stone.
But yeah, clearly A4 will see a lot of heroes come back with some more dying for reals.
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 12:37:09 GMT
Nah, I don't really see how Tony dying would return the Time Stone to Steven. As aquaangel said, there was no real "deal" struck here. Otherwise one might as well assume that Thanos would have to give up the Space Stone should he kill Thor, since Loki gave it up for him sparing his life. As for who's going to die for real next time around, I kind of want to add Black Widow to the list of suspects. After all, she's been around nearly as long as RDJ and it's a pretty physically taxing role. Scarlett might just want to be done with it. (And not want to suffer through another Age of Ultron treatment of her character.) |
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Post by haxemon on May 1, 2018 12:39:43 GMT
Yeah I just feel like there has to be something to Strange giving up the time stone like that. But I agree it's a stretch to think Stark would die and the time stone would magically leap off the gauntlet or something.
But yes, if you look at the roster of characters who are left, many of them are ones that make the most sense to die. Either in terms of characters running their course or actors ready to move on or both.
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 12:51:14 GMT
Oh, I have no doubt that Tony is going to play an essential role in ultimately defeating Thanos, and that that was the reason Steven gave up the Time Stone in the first place. Quite possibly even a sacrifice play. I just can't imagine how the act of giving up the stone could factor into that.
If we're looking at the future of the MCU in regards to the main characters who lived and died, I think that things would be set up better if the roster ends up exactly reversed. If they actually do that in A4, I think I would leave the theatre laughing my head off!
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Post by aquaangel on May 1, 2018 12:53:39 GMT
Isn't Black Widow getting a solo movie though? Although, I guess they could make it a prequel like the Han Solo movie. But, I am guessing they will keep her around since there aren't many female superheroes. I am ninety-five percent sure Thor is safe. After the success of Ragnarok, they'll likely do another movie. Plus, there has to be a reason they didn't show or even mention Valkyrie and Korg in IW.
Do you think they will bring She-hulk into the movies? If they are planning that, current Hulk could be toast.
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Post by haxemon on May 1, 2018 12:57:50 GMT
I think the best way to do a BW movie would be a prequel. Thor is the one character of the big four that I think is most likely to remain around since he's peaking for sure. Either in his own film or as part of some GOTG storyline. Would love to see him and Rocket together more.
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Post by aquaangel on May 1, 2018 12:59:22 GMT
Oh yeah, Thor and Rocket were pure gold. I loved that Asgard taught Groot as a language lol.
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 13:10:22 GMT
Isn't Black Widow getting a solo movie though? Although, I guess they could make it a prequel like the Han Solo movie. But, I am guessing they will keep her around since there aren't many female superheroes. I am ninety-five percent sure Thor is safe. After the success of Ragnarok, they'll likely do another movie. Plus, there has to be a reason they didn't show or even mention Valkyrie and Korg in IW. Do you think they will bring She-hulk into the movies? If they are planning that, current Hulk could be toast. Someone on the net said that they saw Valkyrie's body in the rubble on the ship at the start of IW. I'll have to keep my eyes open next time I see the movie. No word on Korg, yet, though, or on how half of the Asgardian refugees is supposed to have survived and where they're off to. Is there any actual confirmation on a BW solo movie? I've been hearing that rumour float around for years now, but the closest I've actually seen what that great SNL skit. |
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Post by nillindeiel on May 1, 2018 16:32:51 GMT
Isn't Black Widow getting a solo movie though? Although, I guess they could make it a prequel like the Han Solo movie. But, I am guessing they will keep her around since there aren't many female superheroes. I am ninety-five percent sure Thor is safe. After the success of Ragnarok, they'll likely do another movie. Plus, there has to be a reason they didn't show or even mention Valkyrie and Korg in IW. Do you think they will bring She-hulk into the movies? If they are planning that, current Hulk could be toast. Is there any actual confirmation on a BW solo movie? I've been hearing that rumour float around for years now, but the closest I've actually seen what that great SNL skit. Joe Russo apparently did a Q&A at a highschool and addressed aspects of the bolded: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/8g10pg/joe_russo_came_and_had_a_qa_at_our_high_school/ |
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Post by aquaangel on May 1, 2018 18:47:33 GMT
Weird that he would confirm Valkyrie lived, but not speak one way or the other on Korg. Maybe Korg plays an important role in the second part of Infinity War? |
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 19:04:45 GMT
Someone on the net said that they saw Valkyrie's body in the rubble on the ship at the start of IW. I'll have to keep my eyes open next time I see the movie. No word on Korg, yet, though, or on how half of the Asgardian refugees is supposed to have survived and where they're off to.Is there any actual confirmation on a BW solo movie? I've been hearing that rumour float around for years now, but the closest I've actually seen what that great SNL skit. Joe Russo apparently did a Q&A at a highschool and addressed aspects of the bolded: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/8g10pg/joe_russo_came_and_had_a_qa_at_our_high_school/ Well, that's certainly good to hear (ignoring the possibility that he might be lying, just like Kevin Feige re: Loki's role in IW), but it does kind of piss me off when essential stuff like a character's fate in a movie (or a TV show. *cough* The Superior *cough*) has to be explained afterwards in an interview. That's bad story-telling, people! |
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Post by aquaangel on May 1, 2018 19:32:03 GMT
For AOS, yes, bad story telling. I'm going to give IW a pass on this issue though. They had so many characters to write for already. It's not too surprising that they'd forget to mention two of the newest ones.
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Post by ayanami on May 1, 2018 20:10:23 GMT
It was the intro scene, though. As far as I can recall, there were no escape pods visible that were getting away from the Asgardian refugee ship in the wake of Thanos' attack. I would have been the easiest thing to show some flying away during the exterior shot of the ship, thereby clearing up the fate of the missing half of Thor's people as well as giving a reasonable out for characters like Valkyrie and Korg. The way it happened on screen created a bit of a plothole that could have easily been avoided.
Speaking as someone who literally watched Ragnarok a few hours prior to Infinty War, it was rather jarring to have all those people the one movie really wanted you to care about, only for them to completely disappear in the next. It creates sort of a bitter aftertaste for Ragnarok, as in, why did they even bother? Seriously, as I'm writing this, I can't help but think that Thor should have never returned to Asgard in the first place. That way, Thanos would have needed to go himself to get the Tesseract, only to face off against Hela at full strength.
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I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 