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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Mar 31, 2018 10:12:02 GMT
I am sooooo conflicted. I like the cold open and acts 3-5 but I think my viewing of the first two acts were hampered by my impatience caused by me yelling at the TV to kindly get back to Coulson.
Speaking of Coulson, YAY AN EPISODE THAT DIDN'T MAKE ME DISLIKE COULSON'S ACTIONS! IT'S A GODDAMN MIRACLE! It's just too bad that his only real choices were "cooperate with Hale or be grounded and get your having-a-bed-privelege taken away".
At least he still got a bed after he misbehaved in "The Magical Place"
Maybe with poor Talbot in the mix Coulson will be more willing to consider doing what Hale wants but I doubt it, judging from the preview: btw what does Hale say at the beginning of the preview?
Looking back, if they were aiming to make Hale a sympathetic baddie, they sure as Hell succeeded with me. She may end up topping Garrett as my favorite villain, and I'm not even sure she *is* an evil maniacal villain. I think she'll end up joining SHIELD's side after failing to get Coulson on HYDRA's.
The team stuff in act 5 played out in the way I thought it would, with Daisy Vs Fitz with May being the referee. During the tag scene, I distinctly remember having the thought that Jemma could be with Fitz again so easily because she too has a "dark side" which we saw when she ended up killing Bakshi.
And I also did expect Mack (or May) to try to talk to Jemma about what it was like in the FW for them, who did live a whole other life. Mack's talk was fine, but I kinda wish it was May, though I understand why it was Mack.
All this said because I gave up on trying to sleep, it's now 5:10am, and when I was trying to sleep, my brain wanted to think about what was going on with Coulson in the preview.
Incoherent ramble over.
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Post by DoTheMath on Mar 31, 2018 15:36:38 GMT
When I saw this:  I couldn't help but think of Thor's "higher form of war" statement....... |
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Post by DoTheMath on Mar 31, 2018 16:46:02 GMT
I thought it was a good ep. Moving pieces around to set up the run to the finale. I liked the Hale Hydra backstory. It was good seeing Reed Diamond again (he really knows how to bring the creepy). Sitwell was hilarious. Even if he'd never spoke, it was still hilarious seeing Jasper Jr. Not hard to understand why he ended up as a hood ornament...... Poor Hale...... she's stuck in the same delusion as the previous Hydra heads. Why are they always so convinced they're right? She's incapable of considering another option? Even from the guy that she KNOWS has seen a world of sh!t. She knows everything Coulson has done (up to the end of S4, anyway) and has seen and been involved in a bunch of high tech sci-fi stuff herself, but she can't believe SHIELD went into the future? She teleports to an alien spaceship and back several times, has a daughter that's bio-metrically enhanced so she can enter a particle infusion chamber and be made into a super human infused with gravitonium, but Gen. Hale can't believe in time travel? It seems that all Hydra heads are born, educated and lead with blinders on. To make matters worse, she doesn't think her bio-metrically enhanced daughter is mentally stable enough to fulfill the role of Destroyer of Worlds, so she wants to use Daisy; a non-bio-metrically enhanced specimen that's also overly emotional, angsty, headstrong................... Doesn't Hale realize that two wrongs make for a dystopian future where the humanity she's trying to save ends up on the brink of annihilation? If only she knew someone that's traveled to the future........... I'm not of fan of all the "invincible" talk going on at the lighthouse. I get that Yo-Yo can feel that way. She saw herself still alive way into the future. Her mistake is that the future where she met herself was the one where they're all still stuck in the loop. Her conversation with herself was part of that loop. What she seems to not understand is that if the loop is broken, her future is no longer written in stone. And........ I'm sorry, but Simmons should know better; and, so should Fitz (especially Fitz). All that positivity usually ends up in a deep dark hole.......... Deke is NOT proof of any future outside of the loopy one. If FitzSimmons only knew what we know...... These situations where we know more than the characters, raises the "what will happen" anxiety. The writers are playing this one well. Much more intriguing than the Fallen Agent thing they did in S3. Here's the thing: SHIELD are the good guys and the good guys always win. They may lose the occasional battle, but they always win the war. They will, somehow, break the loop and avert the destruction of earth. When the loop is broken, all the ideas Yo-Yo, mack and Mr. and Mrs. Fitz have about their future will be null and void. Stay tuned.......  Additionally, it seems they'll save the earth from destruction just in time for Thanos to come to town. Can planet earth please get a break? |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Mar 31, 2018 17:50:32 GMT
I thought it was a good ep. Moving pieces around to set up the run to the finale. I liked the Hale Hydra backstory. It was good seeing Reed Diamond again (he really knows how to bring the creepy). Sitwell was hilarious. Even if he'd never spoke, it was still hilarious seeing Jasper Jr. Not hard to understand why he ended up as a hood ornament...... Poor Hale...... she's stuck in the same delusion as the previous Hydra heads. Why are they always so convinced they're right? She's incapable of considering another option? Even from the guy that she KNOWS has seen a world of sh!t. She knows everything Coulson has done (up to the end of S4, anyway) and has seen and been involved in a bunch of high tech sci-fi stuff herself, but she can't believe SHIELD went into the future? She teleports to an alien spaceship and back several times, has a daughter that's bio-metrically enhanced so she can enter a particle infusion chamber and be made into a super human infused with gravitonium, but Gen. Hale can't believe in time travel? It seems that all Hydra heads are born, educated and lead with blinders on. To make matters worse, she doesn't think her bio-metrically enhanced daughter is mentally stable enough to fulfill the role of Destroyer of Worlds, so she wants to use Daisy; a non-bio-metrically enhanced specimen that's also overly emotional, angsty, headstrong................... Doesn't Hale realize that two wrongs make for a dystopian future where the humanity she's trying to save ends up on the brink of annihilation? If only she knew someone that's traveled to the future........... I'm not of fan of all the "invincible" talk going on at the lighthouse. I get that Yo-Yo can feel that way. She saw herself still alive way into the future. Her mistake is that the future where she met herself was the one where they're all still stuck in the loop. Her conversation with herself was part of that loop. What she seems to not understand is that if the loop is broken, her future is no longer written in stone. And........ I'm sorry, but Simmons should know better; and, so should Fitz (especially Fitz). All that positivity usually ends up in a deep dark hole.......... Deke is NOT proof of any future outside of the loopy one. If FitzSimmons only knew what we know...... These situations where we know more than the characters, raises the "what will happen" anxiety. The writers are playing this one well. Much more intriguing than the Fallen Agent thing they did in S3. Here's the thing: SHIELD are the good guys and the good guys always win. They may lose the occasional battle, but they always win the war. They will, somehow, break the loop and avert the destruction of earth. When the loop is broken, all the ideas Yo-Yo, mack and Mr. and Mrs. Fitz have about their future will be null and void. Stay tuned....... Additionally, it seems they'll save the earth from destruction just in time for Thanos to come to town. Can planet earth please get a break? Sorry to not go more in depth on your post but I just had a chat with someone about Hale not believing in time travel: I don't think her problem is that she doesn't believe in time travel, I think it's that up until that point, Coulson had been cooperating and listening to her and he suddenly contradicted her, while at the same time she probably doesn't believe that *Coulson* and his band of misfits would have the means to time travel. Her line was, "I can't tell if you're delusional or playing games" which doesn't exactly confirm that she doesn't believe in time travel, just that she doesn't think Coulson time traveled. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 1, 2018 0:43:03 GMT
Burning Question: How many bowls of Oops All Berries did Clark Gregg have to eat? |
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Post by haxemon on Apr 2, 2018 19:25:28 GMT
Best part of the episode for me was Coulson not falling for the "mysterious too-young-to-be-hot girl ignoring me" shtick. When they showed Talbot falling for it earlier I was eye-rolling so glad that it was to set up the pay off.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 2, 2018 20:42:24 GMT
Best part of the episode for me was Coulson not falling for the "mysterious too-young-to-be-hot girl ignoring me" shtick. When they showed Talbot falling for it earlier I was eye-rolling so glad that it was to set up the pay off. He probably didn't fall for it because he set up that ploy himself on more than one occasion. |
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Post by beren44 on Apr 3, 2018 3:08:35 GMT
Best line in the episode? 'Calamari Mata Hari'. I almost did a Jemma Simmons's on my monitor 😂 (It's good to have Talbot back!) |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 3, 2018 12:12:57 GMT
Best line in the episode? 'Calamari Mata Hari'. I almost did a Jemma Simmons's on my monitor 😂 (It's good to have Talbot back!) My favorite moment in the episode was when Hale asks Coulson to grab that lever: COULSON: I’m good. I’ve already been to space. Pretty recently, actually. HALE: No, you need to meet him for yourself. COULSON: Or what? *RoboMinions Step Forward* *Hale Nods At Them* *Coulson looks at them and then at Hale* COULSON: *Grabs Lever* |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 3, 2018 17:06:22 GMT
I am sooooo conflicted. I like the cold open and acts 3-5 but I think my viewing of the first two acts were hampered by my impatience caused by me yelling at the TV to kindly get back to Coulson. Speaking of Coulson, YAY AN EPISODE THAT DIDN'T MAKE ME DISLIKE COULSON'S ACTIONS! IT'S A GODDAMN MIRACLE! It's just too bad that his only real choices were "cooperate with Hale or be grounded and get your having-a-bed-privelege taken away". I'm sure he'll be back to being Coulson soon, now that he knows what's going on... I'm not quite sure I'm on board with Hale yet. There's also the wildcards of Ruby and the Strucker kid that's on Hale's side. Which brings us to the question, is Ruby the one who actually destroys the world? What if the "Chamber" is in the Hydra Academy and Ruby and Strucker activate it? They both seem psycho enough... |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 3, 2018 17:14:40 GMT
I am sooooo conflicted. I like the cold open and acts 3-5 but I think my viewing of the first two acts were hampered by my impatience caused by me yelling at the TV to kindly get back to Coulson. Speaking of Coulson, YAY AN EPISODE THAT DIDN'T MAKE ME DISLIKE COULSON'S ACTIONS! IT'S A GODDAMN MIRACLE! It's just too bad that his only real choices were "cooperate with Hale or be grounded and get your having-a-bed-privelege taken away". I'm sure he'll be back to being Coulson soon, now that he knows what's going on... I'm not quite sure I'm on board with Hale yet. There's also the wildcards of Ruby and the Strucker kid that's on Hale's side. Which brings us to the question, is Ruby the one who actually destroys the world? What if the "Chamber" is in the Hydra Academy and Ruby and Strucker activate it? They both seem psycho enough... I hope he doesn't go back to being Coulson. I finally didn't have a problem with Coulson for once. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 3, 2018 17:18:02 GMT
I thought it was a good ep. Moving pieces around to set up the run to the finale. I liked the Hale Hydra backstory. It was good seeing Reed Diamond again (he really knows how to bring the creepy). Sitwell was hilarious. Even if he'd never spoke, it was still hilarious seeing Jasper Jr. Not hard to understand why he ended up as a hood ornament...... Poor Hale...... she's stuck in the same delusion as the previous Hydra heads. Why are they always so convinced they're right? She's incapable of considering another option? Even from the guy that she KNOWS has seen a world of sh!t. She knows everything Coulson has done (up to the end of S4, anyway) and has seen and been involved in a bunch of high tech sci-fi stuff herself, but she can't believe SHIELD went into the future? She teleports to an alien spaceship and back several times, has a daughter that's bio-metrically enhanced so she can enter a particle infusion chamber and be made into a super human infused with gravitonium, but Gen. Hale can't believe in time travel? It seems that all Hydra heads are born, educated and lead with blinders on. To make matters worse, she doesn't think her bio-metrically enhanced daughter is mentally stable enough to fulfill the role of Destroyer of Worlds, so she wants to use Daisy; a non-bio-metrically enhanced specimen that's also overly emotional, angsty, headstrong................... Doesn't Hale realize that two wrongs make for a dystopian future where the humanity she's trying to save ends up on the brink of annihilation? If only she knew someone that's traveled to the future........... I'm not of fan of all the "invincible" talk going on at the lighthouse. I get that Yo-Yo can feel that way. She saw herself still alive way into the future. Her mistake is that the future where she met herself was the one where they're all still stuck in the loop. Her conversation with herself was part of that loop. What she seems to not understand is that if the loop is broken, her future is no longer written in stone. And........ I'm sorry, but Simmons should know better; and, so should Fitz (especially Fitz). All that positivity usually ends up in a deep dark hole.......... Deke is NOT proof of any future outside of the loopy one. If FitzSimmons only knew what we know...... These situations where we know more than the characters, raises the "what will happen" anxiety. The writers are playing this one well. Much more intriguing than the Fallen Agent thing they did in S3. Here's the thing: SHIELD are the good guys and the good guys always win. They may lose the occasional battle, but they always win the war. They will, somehow, break the loop and avert the destruction of earth. When the loop is broken, all the ideas Yo-Yo, mack and Mr. and Mrs. Fitz have about their future will be null and void. Stay tuned....... Additionally, it seems they'll save the earth from destruction just in time for Thanos to come to town. Can planet earth please get a break? Sorry to not go more in depth on your post but I just had a chat with someone about Hale not believing in time travel: I don't think her problem is that she doesn't believe in time travel, I think it's that up until that point, Coulson had been cooperating and listening to her and he suddenly contradicted her, while at the same time she probably doesn't believe that *Coulson* and his band of misfits would have the means to time travel. Her line was, "I can't tell if you're delusional or playing games" which doesn't exactly confirm that she doesn't believe in time travel, just that she doesn't think Coulson time traveled. Deke is the proof they were in the future. Hale should suspect that, since it was one of her minions ran the DNA test. I am beginning to suspect it was the "other" Destroyer of Worlds (i.e. Ruby) that's the main threat to cracking the Earth apart... BTW, Sitwell does speak. He's the one who said it was a stupid idea to punch the future leader of Hydra in the face... |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 3, 2018 17:22:46 GMT
Best part of the episode for me was Coulson not falling for the "mysterious too-young-to-be-hot girl ignoring me" shtick. When they showed Talbot falling for it earlier I was eye-rolling so glad that it was to set up the pay off. Strucker followed Ruby, too. Personally, I think it was to set up the breakfast cereal gag. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 3, 2018 17:24:53 GMT
Sorry to not go more in depth on your post but I just had a chat with someone about Hale not believing in time travel: I don't think her problem is that she doesn't believe in time travel, I think it's that up until that point, Coulson had been cooperating and listening to her and he suddenly contradicted her, while at the same time she probably doesn't believe that *Coulson* and his band of misfits would have the means to time travel. Her line was, "I can't tell if you're delusional or playing games" which doesn't exactly confirm that she doesn't believe in time travel, just that she doesn't think Coulson time traveled. Deke is the proof they were in the future. Hale should suspect that, since it was one of her minions ran the DNA test. I am beginning to suspect it was the "other" Destroyer of Worlds (i.e. Ruby) that's the main threat to cracking the Earth apart... BTW, Sitwell does speak. He's the one who said it was a stupid idea to punch the future leader of Hydra in the face... Did I say Sitwell didn't speak? |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 3, 2018 17:29:05 GMT
Deke is the proof they were in the future. Hale should suspect that, since it was one of her minions ran the DNA test. I am beginning to suspect it was the "other" Destroyer of Worlds (i.e. Ruby) that's the main threat to cracking the Earth apart... BTW, Sitwell does speak. He's the one who said it was a stupid idea to punch the future leader of Hydra in the face... Did I say Sitwell didn't speak? No, DoTheMath did, though he may not have if I re-read his post. I just got lazy and didn't want to quote out another post.  |
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