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Post by polgara on Jan 21, 2018 4:08:53 GMT
It will probably be like Rey's parents in Last Jedi, they are unimportant. His mother was carrying around a piece of the time travel monolith. I highly doubt she was unimportant. I still firmly believe that Deke is a descendent from some of the team members. Realistically he should be a great-grandkid, so that leave a lot of room for Fitzsimmons and maybe even Hunter and Bobbi to show up in his family tree. There's simply been too much fuss about his parents and what happened to them to not show us what did happened and who they were at some point. Well, to be honest, I'm not sure I believe Rey's parents are nobodies. I really think Deke's parentage is unimportant, because I think Deke is this year's sacrificial lamb.
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Post by polgara on Jan 21, 2018 4:11:39 GMT
Anybody else get the impression that they're subliminally doing a "Fallen Agent" on us? They've hinted that everyone but Fitz dies between 2017(8) and 2022 (or soon thereafter) or has a questionable future in the 2091 timeline. - May's secret with Robin about her mission- Fitz losing it in 2022 because Jemma died and it can't be reversed - Coulson's deal with The Rider - No Mack or Coulson in the 2022 flashback - Elena going on a suicide solo mission in 2022 Mack apparently died. But Simmons is still alive. Robin only showed Fitz her future death. That got to him. Coulson, Daisy are the big unknowns. Now that smells like GR indead. I'm pretty sure that in one of the last flashback scenes Fitz says Jemma dies every time. I got the feeling that she was definitely dead at this point not just in prophecy.
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Post by koos on Jan 21, 2018 5:21:15 GMT
This is interesting......
Yeah, I figured that was what their future would have looked like if Enoch hadn't intervened. So, the future cannot be changed by mere humans alone, but with the help of a friendly extraterrestrial , all things are possible. Enoch is key in this. But he has intervened. They (Yo Yo) knew about Flint 50 years before he was born. Fitz knew they had failed. They knew the importance of the Lighthouse for humanity but also that they would be slaves for the Kree. And most importantly, May knew that Robin would meet her again and that she would tell her what to do and that "they never have to say goodbye." When May dies, Robin will meet her again at the last day. And when Robin dies, May will meet her again, when she is young. So, after she had travelled back in time. I think I have a theory that connects all the dots when it comes to the time travel part. Not about the destruction of the earth part. And not about who Enoch is. That is still a mystery. But I needto have one closer look at the pictures in the hope to confirm my theory.I'll write it down later today. I only have no idea why and how Framework tech was left behind. But likely it means nothing. Just put there because the team knows Deke can use it later for good use. EDIT: checked it out and didn't get the confirmation I wanted. But will still post the theory anyway.
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Post by aquaangel on Jan 21, 2018 5:45:07 GMT
Yeah, I figured that was what their future would have looked like if Enoch hadn't intervened. So, the future cannot be changed by mere humans alone, but with the help of a friendly extraterrestrial , all things are possible. Enoch is key in this. But he has intervened. They (Yo Yo) knew about Flint 50 years before he was born. Fitz knew they had failed. They knew the importance of the Lighthouse for humanity but also that they would be slaves for the Kree. And most importantly, May knew that Robin would meet her again and that she would tell her what to do and that "they never have to say goodbye." When May dies, Robin will meet her again at the last day. And when Robin dies, May will meet her again, when she is young. So, after she had travelled back in time. I think I have a theory that connects all the dots when it comes to the time travel part. Not about the destruction of the earth part. And not about who Enoch is. That is still a mystery. But I needto have one closer look at the pictures in the hope to confirm my theory.I'll write it down later today. I only have no idea why and how Framework tech was left behind. But likely it means nothing. Just put there because the team knows Deke can use it later for good use. I thought they knew about Flint and everything else because of Robin's visions. I didn't think that particular part had anything to do with Enoch.
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Post by koos on Jan 21, 2018 5:45:08 GMT
Mack apparently died. But Simmons is still alive. Robin only showed Fitz her future death. That got to him. Coulson, Daisy are the big unknowns. Now that smells like GR indead. I'm pretty sure that in one of the last flashback scenes Fitz says Jemma dies every time. I got the feeling that she was definitely dead at this point not just in prophecy. I need to rewatch that scene. I think Fitz said that in the light that he believes they have done this thousand times. That is a guess from Fitz on the fact that they have failed one time to save the world.
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Post by koos on Jan 21, 2018 5:56:20 GMT
Enoch is key in this. But he has intervened. They (Yo Yo) knew about Flint 50 years before he was born. Fitz knew they had failed. They knew the importance of the Lighthouse for humanity but also that they would be slaves for the Kree. And most importantly, May knew that Robin would meet her again and that she would tell her what to do and that "they never have to say goodbye." When May dies, Robin will meet her again at the last day. And when Robin dies, May will meet her again, when she is young. So, after she had travelled back in time. I think I have a theory that connects all the dots when it comes to the time travel part. Not about the destruction of the earth part. And not about who Enoch is. That is still a mystery. But I needto have one closer look at the pictures in the hope to confirm my theory.I'll write it down later today. I only have no idea why and how Framework tech was left behind. But likely it means nothing. Just put there because the team knows Deke can use it later for good use. I thought they knew about Flint and everything else because of Robin's visions. I didn't think that particular part had anything to do with Enoch. It hasn't got to do with Enoch directly. They knew because they have been in the future and have travelled back in time. The way I see it is that they were annoyed by Robin, because they already knew about the prophecies what she told them about. I don't think they got that info about Flint from Robin, because most of fher pictures pictures are too vague in their meaning. But the way Robin and May talked to each other was confirmation for me that they had to have been to the future.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 21, 2018 6:26:26 GMT
His mother was carrying around a piece of the time travel monolith. I highly doubt she was unimportant. I still firmly believe that Deke is a descendent from some of the team members. Realistically he should be a great-grandkid, so that leave a lot of room for Fitzsimmons and maybe even Hunter and Bobbi to show up in his family tree. There's simply been too much fuss about his parents and what happened to them to not show us what did happened and who they were at some point. I always believed it to be a descendent of Fitzsimmons, but then others keep saying it must be HunterBobbi's, because of his antics. Too bad we don't know what happened with BobbiHunter. There would protect the girl, but we didn't get to see that in this ep. I think he's Hunter's. Maybe Bobbi's. Didn't seem like Hunter and Bobbi were best of friends in the episode a couple of weeks ago...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 21, 2018 6:30:59 GMT
I'm pretty sure that in one of the last flashback scenes Fitz says Jemma dies every time. I got the feeling that she was definitely dead at this point not just in prophecy. I need to rewatch that scene. I think Fitz said that in the light that he believes they have done this thousand times. That is a guess from Fitz on the fact that they have failed one time to save the world. From my post earlier in this thread. This was a really important reveal by Fitz in the near future timeline: It's Groundhog Day. Something different needs to happen...
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Post by koos on Jan 21, 2018 6:37:02 GMT
I need to rewatch that scene. I think Fitz said that in the light that he believes they have done this thousand times. That is a guess from Fitz on the fact that they have failed one time to save the world. From my post earlier in this thread. This was a really important reveal by Fitz in the near future timeline: It's Groundhog Day. Something different needs to happen... Yeah, saw that part. Wanted to comment on it 😀 It is not what he said. He said. "Because we have tried. For all I know, we have tried a thousand times." "For all I know" doesn't make it a GroundHog Day scenario, but a guess. EDIT: well, it still makes it a Groundhog Day scenario, but without Fitz remembering it.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 21, 2018 7:30:07 GMT
I thought they knew about Flint and everything else because of Robin's visions. I didn't think that particular part had anything to do with Enoch. It hasn't got to do with Enoch directly. They knew because they have been in the future and have travelled back in time. The way I see it is that they were annoyed by Robin, because they already knew about the prophecies what she told them about. I don't think they got that info about Flint from Robin, because most of fher pictures pictures are too vague in their meaning. Ah, this is why I hate time travel. What time frames are you talking about? If I piece it together, it goes like this: The Team is kidnapped in the Diner in 2017. They are sent to 2100 (or thereabouts) by Enoch/Monolith, see the destruction, possibly save humanity, and get sent back in time to "today", 2018. However, even with the warnings, they are unable to stop the destruction. The near future timeline (2018/2022) happens after their future trip to 2100. I'm assuming this because of Fitz's reveal: You mean to 2100? May has, Robin hasn't. Something to think about Robin. She is not a prophet. She is an Inhuman that lives in all her time at once. She lives in 2018, 2022 and 2100 all at once. That's why when Yo-Yo goes to fight the Kree in 2022, Robin talks about Flint and Mack, because she knows Flint/Mack/Yo-Yo will save humanity. Just not in 2022, but in 2100. But Robin can't tell the difference. That's also why in 2022 Robin tells May she hasn't seen the vision where the Team saves Earth. It's because she isn't alive when that happens. Where the hole forms in my theory, is Robin couldn't have known about Flint, unless May(2022) tells Robin that's she's been to the future and Flint's involvement. Of course, Robin knows May has been to the future, because she's lived it. This makes more sense when May says to remind her about what's important when they're back on the Zephyr. It may also be why May raised Robin, because May knows Robin's importance to the Team's future in 50 years, and to tell Robin facts she will need in 2100.
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Post by koos on Jan 21, 2018 10:11:17 GMT
It hasn't got to do with Enoch directly. They knew because they have been in the future and have travelled back in time. The way I see it is that they were annoyed by Robin, because they already knew about the prophecies what she told them about. I don't think they got that info about Flint from Robin, because most of fher pictures pictures are too vague in their meaning. Ah, this is why I hate time travel. What time frames are you talking about? If I piece it together, it goes like this: The Team is kidnapped in the Diner in 2017. They are sent to 2100 (or thereabouts) by Enoch/Monolith, see the destruction, possibly save humanity, and get sent back in time to "today", 2018. However, even with the warnings, they are unable to stop the destruction. The near future timeline (2018/2022) happens after their future trip to 2100. I'm assuming this because of Fitz's reveal: You mean to 2100? May has, Robin hasn't. Something to think about Robin. She is not a prophet. She is an Inhuman that lives in all her time at once. She lives in 2018, 2022 and 2100 all at once. That's why when Yo-Yo goes to fight the Kree in 2022, Robin talks about Flint and Mack, because she knows Flint/Mack/Yo-Yo will save humanity. Just not in 2022, but in 2100. But Robin can't tell the difference. That's also why in 2022 Robin tells May she hasn't seen the vision where the Team saves Earth. It's because she isn't alive when that happens. Where the hole forms in my theory, is Robin couldn't have known about Flint, unless May(2022) tells Robin that's she's been to the future and Flint's involvement. Of course, Robin knows May has been to the future, because she's lived it. This makes more sense when May says to remind her about what's important when they're back on the Zephyr. It may also be why May raised Robin, because May knows Robin's importance to the Team's future in 50 years, and to tell Robin facts she will need in 2100. Many different time frames, pretty much each time Robin spoke to them in the past they got annoyed. I realize that Robin is not a prophet, I just had to give her name. The theory is interesting. The part where Mack/Yo yo and Flint save humanity. I do think she realizes in what time she is though. And she also knows that Mack, Yo yo and Flint have everything they need, while she was never there. She sees also stuff where she is not present, but I agree that it is within her own life-span.
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Post by aquaangel on Jan 21, 2018 13:40:33 GMT
That guy who is part of the show's crew (don't know if he's a writer or fx person or what) [Mark Kolpak] basically said on Twitter that the 2022 scenes would have been the future if Enoch hadn't taken the team from the diner. Someone on Twitter asked if the 2022 scenes were the team after being in 2091 and returning to their regular time or if it was the team if Enoch hadn't gotten involved. Mark replied with, "your second assessment" or something like that ( DoTheMath posted it on page two of this thread). If that's the case, then the future can be changed. If it can't be changed, then what was the point of this storyline? I had a thought in the beginning about the destruction, but I'm sure it won't be the case. I thought if they wanted to tie it in with the movies, they could make Thanos (armed with infinity stones) the reason for the destruction. Only thing is, I'm not sure the timeline matches up with this.
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Post by koos on Jan 21, 2018 14:05:18 GMT
That guy who is part of the show's crew (don't know if he's a writer or fx person or what) [Mark Kolpak] basically said on Twitter that the 2022 scenes would have been the future if Enoch hadn't taken the team from the diner. Someone on Twitter asked if the 2022 scenes were the team after being in 2091 and returning to their regular time or if it was the team if Enoch hadn't gotten involved. Mark replied with, "your second assessment" or something like that ( DoTheMath posted it on page two of this thread). If that's the case, then the future can be changed. If it can't be changed, then what was the point of this storyline? I had a thought in the beginning about the destruction, but I'm sure it won't be the case. I thought if they wanted to tie it in with the movies, they could make Thanos (armed with infinity stones) the reason for the destruction. Only thing is, I'm not sure the timeline matches up with this. Goddamned, I read it wrong with my stupid cellphone. Well, even though I saw that entirely different in the ep. I have to take as a fact. I thought that it would be like Groundhog day, but with little changes in each loop. And the changes are little differences in what happens The Seer sees. And each time Enoch send his notebook to himself back in time and act a little differently, until the y get it right. EDIT; gonna neglect his comment, because it makes no sense whatsoever. The know about Voss, they know about Flint. And so much more that they can't know if it was the second assessment.
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Post by DoTheMath on Jan 21, 2018 21:34:15 GMT
Anyone else notice the wedding ring Fitz was sporting in 2022? 😄 Saw it on my second watch. It's too bad that timeline will be (already is?) erased.........
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Post by ayanami on Jan 21, 2018 21:39:18 GMT
Anyone else notice the wedding ring Fitz was sporting in 2022? 😄 Saw it on my second watch. It's too bad that timeline will be (already is?) erased......... Doesn't mean they can't get married again. Plus, I'd take the timeline where Earth doesn't get destroyed any day, even if it means Fitzsimmons don't get married.
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