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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Aug 20, 2017 17:27:54 GMT
HOW MANY WAYS TO RESURRECT A PERSON ARE THERE IN THE MCU!?
SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ALEXANDRA THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE INVESTED ALL THEIR RESOURCES IN GETTING A KREE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SPEND ALL THEIR TIME LOOKING FOR THE IRON FIST. IT CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE TURNED OUT BETTER FOR HER.
THIS WAS WORSE THAN THE BASICALLY-TAHITI EXPERIMENT DONE ON LUKE CAGE IN HIS SERIES.
ALSO THE 'HAND' IS BASICALLY HYDRA. IN FACT, IT WAS SO MUCH LIKE HYDRA I WAS DISTRACTED BY HOW MUCH IT'S BASICALLY HYDRA AND TOOK ME OUT OF THE SERIES TO THE POINT I COULDN'T FULLY ENJOY IT.
THIS WHOLE 'THE HAND' AND ALEXANDRA PLOT JUST GOES TO PROVE THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WRITE AND PRODUCE A.L.L. MCU PROPERTIES NEED TO WATCH THE OTHER PROPERTIES IF ONLY TO AVOID BLATANT REHASHING OF THE SAME STORY.
SERIOUSLY DISNEY/MARVEL/NETFLIX/ABC SIT AT A SQUID SHAPED TABLE IN A GIANT BOARDROOM AND TALK TO EACHOTHER. WATCH AN EPISODE OF AOS OR TWO. DO TRUST FALLS. GO ON A COMPANY PICNIC. DO OTHER TEAM BUILDING EXCERSISES. YOU AND YOUR HASHTAG HAVE BECOME FULL ON JOKES BY NOW.
*DEEP SIGH*
See how annoyed I am? So annoyed that using all caps felt the most appropriate and I rarely use all caps, if ever.
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Post by Black Widow on Aug 20, 2017 18:16:08 GMT
You know, I often thought while watching this series that The Hand was basically Ninja!HYDRA. I wonder if Red Skull and Alexandra met....
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Post by sigasahab on Aug 21, 2017 11:32:33 GMT
I think the problem really originates in the source material, the comics, so maybe you should AIM your complaint at THEM.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Aug 21, 2017 13:18:34 GMT
I think the problem really originates in the source material, the comics, so maybe you should AIM your complaint at THEM. Comics have nothing to do with it. Marvel Studios came up with the idea of a universe where TV shows and movies are interconnected across all platforms. It'd be nice if they actually went through with it and saw to it that each show and movie 'remembered' each other, but no, it's easier to just let each show and movie do whatever they want regardless if it makes sense in the universe that they want to connect all of these things. And I get that people die and live again all the time in the comics and that comics might ignore or change what came before. That's par for the course in the *comics*. But I'm not talking about the *comics*. EDIT: Let me make myself more clear, my problem is that if the Netflix producers paid attention to AoS and the movies, they wouldn't write a story that so blatantly uses story elements and plot points that have been done before albeit in a different form. This is a smaller part of my annoyance of #ItsAllConnected. For instance, the 'resurrection-using-mysterious-goo' plotline has been done already (obviously). I personally think the Defenders would have benefited from atleast a mention of GH. 325 or an acknowledgement that there are other ways to achieve resurrection. They could have shown Madame Gao or someone else mention that they tried to get some of that but would end up needing a Kree so they had to resort to getting back to K'un Lun instead. |
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Post by nillindeiel on Aug 21, 2017 13:54:44 GMT
I think the problem really originates in the source material, the comics, so maybe you should AIM your complaint at THEM. Comics have nothing to do with it. Marvel Studios came up with the idea of a universe where TV shows and movies are interconnected across all platforms. It'd be nice if they actually went through with it and saw to it that each show and movie 'remembered' each other, but no, it's easier to just let each show and movie do whatever they want regardless if it makes sense in the universe that they want to connect all of these things. And I get that people die and live again all the time in the comics and that comics might ignore or change what came before. That's par for the course in the *comics*. But I'm not talking about the *comics*. EDIT: Let me make myself more clear, my problem is that if the Netflix producers paid attention to AoS and the movies, they wouldn't write a story that so blatantly uses story elements and plot points that have been done before albeit in a different form. This is a smaller part of my annoyance of #ItsAllConnected. For instance, the 'resurrection-using-mysterious-goo' plotline has been done already (obviously). I personally think the Defenders would have benefited from atleast a mention of GH. 325 or an acknowledgement that there are other ways to achieve resurrection.They could have shown Madame Gao or someone else mention that they tried to get some of that but would end up needing a Kree so they had to resort to getting back to K'un Lun instead. But how wide known is the GH serum or how wide known is it that the Kree even exist? I mean, that's something that Fury was keeping pretty well buried (and it took Coulson and co quite a bit of digging to figure out *exactly* what it was). I wouldn't expect it to be common knowledge, even to long-lived members of the Hand. Personally, I had no problem with the way Coulson was resurrected not getting mentioned on the show. The Hand has their method that has been working out for them pretty well over the centuries, it's something they know how to do, something they're familiar with... it would be more odd (IMO) for them to suddenly decide switching methods to something that they haven't even witnessed themselves. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Aug 21, 2017 14:00:00 GMT
Comics have nothing to do with it. Marvel Studios came up with the idea of a universe where TV shows and movies are interconnected across all platforms. It'd be nice if they actually went through with it and saw to it that each show and movie 'remembered' each other, but no, it's easier to just let each show and movie do whatever they want regardless if it makes sense in the universe that they want to connect all of these things. And I get that people die and live again all the time in the comics and that comics might ignore or change what came before. That's par for the course in the *comics*. But I'm not talking about the *comics*. EDIT: Let me make myself more clear, my problem is that if the Netflix producers paid attention to AoS and the movies, they wouldn't write a story that so blatantly uses story elements and plot points that have been done before albeit in a different form. This is a smaller part of my annoyance of #ItsAllConnected. For instance, the 'resurrection-using-mysterious-goo' plotline has been done already (obviously). I personally think the Defenders would have benefited from atleast a mention of GH. 325 or an acknowledgement that there are other ways to achieve resurrection.They could have shown Madame Gao or someone else mention that they tried to get some of that but would end up needing a Kree so they had to resort to getting back to K'un Lun instead. But how wide known is the GH serum or how wide known is it that the Kree even exist? I mean, that's something that Fury was keeping pretty well buried (and it took Coulson and co quite a bit of digging to figure out *exactly* what it was). I wouldn't expect it to be common knowledge, even to long-lived members of the Hand. Personally, I had no problem with the way Coulson was resurrected not getting mentioned on the show. The Hand has their method that has been working out for them pretty well over the centuries, it's something they know how to do, something they're familiar with... it would be more odd (IMO) for them to suddenly decide switching methods to something that they haven't even witnessed themselves. Okay, Defenders not mentioning Kree or GH 325 would be okay. I'm just saying it would have been nice for them (The Hand) to mention that there are other ways to resurrect people in general. |
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Post by haxemon on Aug 23, 2017 12:20:47 GMT
Anyone know if this site has an "ignore" feature? Asking for a friend.
LOL kidding (sort of) ... but caseyrook I will suggest that you need to just sit back and enjoy these shows. Or if the occasional rant here among friends helps you do that then great.
FWIW: As far as we know, "the substance" could be a better way to prolong life with other benefits or less risks etc. And as Nil suggested maybe they simply don't know about the Kree. The question of "why isn't SHIELD investigating?" is pretty basic for any sort of large universe thing (even our own). The stuff the Hand was up to was well under the radar (as Gao pointed out several times to Alexandra) until she (Alexandra) unilaterally decided to accelerate things. The main reason our Defenders knew about it was that it was right under their noses and/or they got dragged into it.
Anyway, not saying there's nothing to your complaints or anything, just trying to politely suggest that you shouldn't let it get you so riled up. We uber fans need to make peace with the fact that they're not creating these shows/films solely for us where they can toss in all sorts of nods and cross-references.
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Post by nillindeiel on Aug 23, 2017 13:38:54 GMT
In addition to what haxemon has said, another thing to possibly take into account is that by constantly referring to elements from other areas of the MCU (most especially what could be considered 'smaller' elements/non global crises and the like, like how Coulson was resurrected - again, something Fury kept pretty well under wraps) can actually make the MCU feel like a smaller world rather than it being larger and a more expansive world (if that makes sense). The Netflix series referring to "the incident" (Chitauri invasion) here and there still makes sense, it was an extremely large event and one that had lasting ramifications on their immediate area because it happened in their city. But smaller things/events? Not so much. Edit: And hax (and anyone else that's curious) - not saying you'll use it (since we haven't had problems on the board), but more as just a general FYI for anyone wondering (and in case actual trolls make there way here), there is an ignore feature. Go to the person's actual profile page and click on the gear box in the top right, one of the options is to "Block Member" (pop up box will appear with various checkboxes on exactly how much you want to block them, one of which is to hide the member's posts) |
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Post by haxemon on Aug 23, 2017 19:43:08 GMT
Edit: And hax (and anyone else that's curious) - not saying you'll use it (since we haven't had problems on the board), but more as just a general FYI for anyone wondering (and in case actual trolls make there way here), there is an ignore feature. Go to the person's actual profile page and click on the gear box in the top right, one of the options is to "Block Member" (pop up box will appear with various checkboxes on exactly how much you want to block them, one of which is to hide the member's posts) Thanks Nil - it's cool how we're such old friends we can use short version of our user names  - I really don't want to block anyone and I hope caseyrook isn't upset by my comment. If anything, it's the fact that this site and community has been so awesome that caseyrook's gripes sometimes make me groan a bit. As stated before, they're generally valid to an extent - and I even share some in a way - I just sort of think of it sometimes as looking a gift horse in the mouth a bit. We have this amazing, unprecedented MCU and it has helped DC get their act (mostly) together too. I guess I'm protective/defensive of it a bit. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Aug 23, 2017 21:39:58 GMT
Edit: And hax (and anyone else that's curious) - not saying you'll use it (since we haven't had problems on the board), but more as just a general FYI for anyone wondering (and in case actual trolls make there way here), there is an ignore feature. Go to the person's actual profile page and click on the gear box in the top right, one of the options is to "Block Member" (pop up box will appear with various checkboxes on exactly how much you want to block them, one of which is to hide the member's posts) Thanks Nil - it's cool how we're such old friends we can use short version of our user names - I really don't want to block anyone and I hope caseyrook isn't upset by my comment. If anything, it's the fact that this site and community has been so awesome that caseyrook's gripes sometimes make me groan a bit. As stated before, they're generally valid to an extent - and I even share some in a way - I just sort of think of it sometimes as looking a gift horse in the mouth a bit. We have this amazing, unprecedented MCU and it has helped DC get their act (mostly) together too. I guess I'm protective/defensive of it a bit. said haxemon said You've given me something to think about and I am truly sorry I've made you feel that way. I'll try to tone it down from now on. Part of the reason I made this post is that in real life I do not have many people who are invested in the MCU as I am (they see the movies and only the movies or will maybe watch the Netflix shows but can't engage in much intellectual and deep conversation about the MCU) so when I feel particularly frustrated with something I feel like I need to come here because I will have an audience. Maybe I've come to take that for granted too often. I'm protective of the MCU as well, and AoS even more so. I take it personally when I feel like AoS is not getting the recognition it deserves and that I think fuels my 'rant mode' and in turn takes away from the brain power needed to stop and think about what I'm doing. Also, I listen to many AoS podcasts and the one through line that seems to connect to all of them is that they too get up in arms about the status of connectivity in the MCU and that makes me more aware of it and more likely to point it out. I'm not saying any of these things are a good defense for my self but I thought I should explain them to give you the opportunity to see where I'm coming from. Once again, I will try to tone it down here and apologize for encroaching on your enjoyment of this board. |
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Post by DoTheMath on Aug 23, 2017 21:43:40 GMT
caseyrook AKA Mechelle, if you feel the need to rant and are hesitant to rant publicly, hit me up on a PM and I'll talk you down (and maybe even trade rants with you).
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Aug 23, 2017 21:47:17 GMT
caseyrook AKA Mechelle , if you feel the need to rant and are hesitant to rant publicly, hit me up on a PM and I'll talk you down (and maybe even trade rants with you). If I could rant in public (not to strangers) I would but it would mostly fall on deaf ears. Who likes to rant to deaf ears? |
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Post by DoTheMath on Aug 23, 2017 23:36:35 GMT
caseyrook AKA Mechelle , if you feel the need to rant and are hesitant to rant publicly, hit me up on a PM and I'll talk you down (and maybe even trade rants with you). If I could rant in public (not to strangers) I would but it would mostly fall on deaf ears. Who likes to rant to deaf ears? I meant rant openly (like openly here in this forum). My bad. Poor word choice on my part. |
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Post by haxemon on Aug 24, 2017 13:26:45 GMT
You've given me something to think about and I am truly sorry I've made you feel that way. I'll try to tone it down from now on. Part of the reason I made this post is that in real life I do not have many people who are invested in the MCU as I am (they see the movies and only the movies or will maybe watch the Netflix shows but can't engage in much intellectual and deep conversation about the MCU) so when I feel particularly frustrated with something I feel like I need to come here because I will have an audience. Maybe I've come to take that for granted too often. I'm protective of the MCU as well, and AoS even more so. I take it personally when I feel like AoS is not getting the recognition it deserves and that I think fuels my 'rant mode' and in turn takes away from the brain power needed to stop and think about what I'm doing. Also, I listen to many AoS podcasts and the one through line that seems to connect to all of them is that they too get up in arms about the status of connectivity in the MCU and that makes me more aware of it and more likely to point it out. I'm not saying any of these things are a good defense for my self but I thought I should explain them to give you the opportunity to see where I'm coming from. Once again, I will try to tone it down here and apologize for encroaching on your enjoyment of this board. You don't have anything to apologize for at all. And in fact this particular thread *you* started and you clearly labeled it a rant. So it's on me for reading it if I wasn't keen to read a rant. I was just eager for anything related to Defenders. No need to tone it down on my account either - this should be (and is I hope) a safe place for all MCU fans. As I wrote, I tend to agree with nearly all of your points and share some of your pain. I've just made peace with the notion that Marvel's approach, while sometimes frustrating for super-fans, is good for the overall health of the MCU. We need the popcorn munchers who would be befuddled by too many crossovers to keep buying movie tickets and blurays etc. I think if there's anything of value to my comments maybe it's to see the bright side. While Marvel seems to be erring on the side of too much caution, their reasons for doing so (if I am guessing right) are sound and should mean the MCU keeps on chugging for a long, long time. And we are all lucky enough to have Nillindeiel to help any of us sort through any continuity questions or suspected contradictions. So there should never be a time where someone feels they shouldn't/can't post gripes or pet peeves since she often can make it all better with a couple of reminders or clarifications. |
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Post by nillindeiel on Aug 24, 2017 14:18:45 GMT
You don't have anything to apologize for at all. And in fact this particular thread *you* started and you clearly labeled it a rant. So it's on me for reading it if I wasn't keen to read a rant. I was just eager for anything related to Defenders. No need to tone it down on my account either - this should be (and is I hope) a safe place for all MCU fans. As I wrote, I tend to agree with nearly all of your points and share some of your pain. I've just made peace with the notion that Marvel's approach, while sometimes frustrating for super-fans, is good for the overall health of the MCU. We need the popcorn munchers who would be befuddled by too many crossovers to keep buying movie tickets and blurays etc. I think if there's anything of value to my comments maybe it's to see the bright side. While Marvel seems to be erring on the side of too much caution, their reasons for doing so (if I am guessing right) are sound and should mean the MCU keeps on chugging for a long, long time. And we are all lucky enough to have Nillindeiel to help any of us sort through any continuity questions or suspected contradictions. So there should never be a time where someone feels they shouldn't/can't post gripes or pet peeves since she often can make it all better with a couple of reminders or clarifications.  |
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- I really don't want to block anyone and I hope caseyrook isn't upset by my comment. If anything, it's the fact that this site and community has been so awesome that caseyrook's gripes sometimes make me groan a bit. As stated before, they're generally valid to an extent - and I even share some in a way - I just sort of think of it sometimes as looking a gift horse in the mouth a bit. We have this amazing, unprecedented MCU and it has helped DC get their act (mostly) together too. I guess I'm protective/defensive of it a bit.
