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Post by nillindeiel on Jul 10, 2017 13:54:48 GMT
So saw the movie on Saturday. The short and simple reaction: LOVED IT! Best Spider-Man to date so far. As me, my mom and my sister were talking about it on the way home we noted that when the Tobey movies came out, it was what we had and so it seemed okay. But looking back on it, Tobey never quite had down the snark that has kind of always been a trademark of Spider-Man. Then we got Andrew and we got a bit closer (IMO) to having that kind of snarky/jokey attitude but it still wasn't quite right. Now we have Tom Holland and I think they've finally gotten spot on with their casting. Not to mention, his size and what not makes him believable as a high school aged kid. I loved the humor, I loved the serious moments (and there were some awesome serious and heart wrenching moments such as... when he's trying to get out of the rubble of the warehouse after Vulture has dropped it on him... I mean, I knew he wasn't going to die (obviously) but it didn't stop it from being on the edge of my seat. It's moments like this that make me want to scream at people who say that the only way to have any real stakes is by killing off a character Loved the cameo(s)... Particularly all of Cap's, especially the one in the post-credit scene where they actually poke fun at themselves for doing post credit scenes Loved all of the casting...and yes, I loved the diversity of it. The diversity of the cast helped it feel like it was taking place in a modern day school in New York. Michael Keaton was AWESOME as Vulture. 9/10 for me.... my one itty bitty teenie tiny nitpick is the time frame that they stated. They have this as 8 years after the first Avengers film/The Battle of New York which....it....just doesn't work. Avengers takes place when it came out in 2012. Civil War takes place when it came out in 2016. It's been only 4 years (maybe around 4 1/2 if we tack on a few months since a few months does pass between the end of Civil War and the start of the bulk of the film). I get the feeling that they aren't caring about continuity when it comes to the time frames... they just pick a number out of thin air without looking and seeing if it works with what's already been established in the previous movies. It drives me a bit nuts.
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Post by haxemon on Jul 10, 2017 14:09:10 GMT
I noticed the 8 years thing too. I think they're trying to keep the timelines fluid and almost intentionally mixing things up. Vision's speech in CW was "off" a bit too.
As for this film, yes - best Spider-Man yet (film, character and actor). The second act had me a bit underwhelmed but the third act made up for it. Keaton was amazing.
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Post by nillindeiel on Jul 10, 2017 15:09:13 GMT
I noticed the 8 years thing too. I think they're trying to keep the timelines fluid and almost intentionally mixing things up. Vision's speech in CW was "off" a bit too. As for this film, yes - best Spider-Man yet (film, character and actor). The second act had me a bit underwhelmed but the third act made up for it. Keaton was amazing. Well, with Vision's comment in Civil War (while wrong) I can at least understand where they (probably) got the time frame from... as it had been 8 years since the first Iron Man hit theaters (the problem being that the first Iron Man is not one of the movies that takes place when it came out). But Homecoming and 8 years? it just doesn't work (even if Vision had been right and in Civil War it had been 8 years since the first Iron Man movie, that would still make Homecoming wrong as it would have been more like 6 1/2-7 years since the first Avengers movie (as the first Iron Man is about a year and half before the first Avengers film). You'd have to retroactively adjust the previous films. You'd either have to move Avengers to taking place earlier than 2012 (which, IMO, doesn't work when looking at the time span between it and IM3 (which has to take place during (Christmas) 2012 after all 1999+13 years = 2012) - building 35 suits in a 6 month time frame which means less than a week spent on each suit shows just how much Tony is losing it as opposed to him building 35 suits in a year or more). Or Spider-Man: Homecoming (and therefore Civil War) take place in 2020 - which to me also doesn't really work (because that would put more time between Civil War and Age of Ultron which I think would affect the governments of the world having had the last straw (I think it works better with Sokovia having taken place just a year prior... in 2015...and if you adjust Age of Ultron, then it feels like you would have to adjust The Winter Soldier, and Thor: The Dark World, etc...). I just wish Homecoming hadn't thrown in that 8 years... it's just nagging at me. *lol*
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Post by haxemon on Jul 10, 2017 16:49:23 GMT
I just wish Homecoming hadn't thrown in that 8 years... it's just nagging at me. *lol* I agree. If they don't want to at least try to get the math right, then don't even put dates in. That dialogue could easily have been adjusted to be vague. That's why I think they're almost trying to skew things a bit so if something ever does slip through that does't line up it's sort of lost among other stuff. I'm eagerly looking forward to the detailed reviews that outline all the Easter eggs/references etc. Did I see a prop from Luke Cage in there for example?
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jul 12, 2017 5:28:26 GMT
I saw it and loved it. I thought the humor worked well and didn't feel like it had too much all at once, something I feel plagues movies these days. I also liked Vulture and appreciated his story. Tom Holland was great at Peter, although Peter annoyed me a few times. However he's 15 years old. He's supposed to be like that. With that said: I gave it an 8 because of what I thought were glaring plot holes and downright annoyance that S.H.I.E.L.D. wasn't a thing when it 100% should be.
If Peter and Ned left the tracker in Peter's suit on the lamp in the hotel in Washington DC, how did Tony and Happy not realize that Peter never left that hotel for the rest of the movie? Or did Ned take the tracker and keep it with him or hand it back to Peter? It was never mentioned or seen again.
If Vulture's story started after he was supposedly there to clean Stark Tower after the Avengers, and then the movie shifts to 8 years later, does that mean the movie takes place in 2019? Or was their math wrong, my math wrong, or am I just plain wrong about how that scene played out?
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jul 12, 2017 5:44:04 GMT
I just wish Homecoming hadn't thrown in that 8 years... it's just nagging at me. *lol* I agree. If they don't want to at least try to get the math right, then don't even put dates in. That dialogue could easily have been adjusted to be vague. That's why I think they're almost trying to skew things a bit so if something ever does slip through that does't line up it's sort of lost among other stuff. I'm eagerly looking forward to the detailed reviews that outline all the Easter eggs/references etc. Did I see a prop from Luke Cage in there for example? If they put a prop from Luke Cage in this movie, I bet it was unintentional or someone on the crew managed to sneak it in with no one the wiser. I know everytime we saw a piece of alien tech or tech of any kind that was extraordinary, I legit looked at it and anything else in the scene asking myself if it could have possibly came from AoS (that is, if I didn't remember it from a movie). As for the '8 Years Later', honestly i'm chalking that up to an example of someone firetrucking up big time. If there was something that really bothered me it was: The complete and obvious lack of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Homeland Security Department of Damage Control? Really?
They had to create a whole new organization, never heard of in the MCU by the way, to replace S.H.I.E.L.D.? They couldn't just have S.H.I.E.L.D.?
It wouldn't bother me so much if they hadn't described The Department of Damage Control as having the exact same mission statement as S.H.I.E.L.D.
Even the tactics, attitude, and way of doing things were SHIELDlike.
#ItsAllConnected is a lie, Kevin Feige.
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