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Post by backroadjunkie on May 4, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
All right... No speculation on the events of this episode? (I did read the other thread...)
Where does Ophilia get her Gordon-like powers? Did she create herself as an Inhuman, or does her powers originate from the Darkhold? (My guess is the later. And that's can't be good. I'm speculating she can freely zap between the Framework and the real world now. Does that mean the team will have to re-enter the framework to save Mack and Fitz? There's only two episodes left...)
The Framework obviously exists after AIDA's exit. Will it continue on as an independent dimension, or does it still exists because of Ophilia? Does she still control the Framework, or is it an entity of the Darkhold now?
Mack was always the grounded one. He knows the Framework is a lie, he knows it isn't real. Drove me nuts that that characteristic doesn't exist where he is now. Most of me wanted Daisy to knock him out and throw him into the real world. (Radcliffe could have helped...)
Fitz is in a real bad place. Hopefully he doesn't do something stupid. Or at least more stupid. But he has had a thing for AIDA, since v1.0...
I know I can probably look at the cast for ep 21 and 22, but I'm not. I hate spoilers. But I can't believe we've seen the last of Ward and Tripp.
At the start of this arc, I wasn't sure where they were going with the show, but it's been a wild ride...
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on May 4, 2017 21:01:06 GMT
All right... No speculation on the events of this episode? (I did read the other thread...) Where does Ophilia get her Gordon-like powers? Did she create herself as an Inhuman, or does her powers originate from the Darkhold? (My guess is the later. And that's can't be good. I'm speculating she can freely zap between the Framework and the real world now. Does that mean the team will have to re-enter the framework to save Mack and Fitz? There's only two episodes left...) The Framework obviously exists after AIDA's exit. Will it continue on as an independent dimension, or does it still exists because of Ophilia? Does she still control the Framework, or is it an entity of the Darkhold now? Mack was always the grounded one. He knows the Framework is a lie, he knows it isn't real. Drove me nuts that that characteristic doesn't exist where he is now. Most of me wanted Daisy to knock him out and throw him into the real world. (Radcliffe could have helped...) Fitz is in a real bad place. Hopefully he doesn't do something stupid. Or at least more stupid. But he has had a thing for AIDA, since v1.0... I know I can probably look at the cast for ep 21 and 22, but I'm not. I hate spoilers. But I can't believe we've seen the last of Ward and Tripp. At the start of this arc, I wasn't sure where they were going with the show, but it's been a wild ride... I think AIDA discovered Gordon and had him dissected Jiaying-style so that she and all of HYDRA could figure out just want made him tick. Then, she encoded that knowledge to the 3D printer from hell. That would explain why her teleportation effect is the same as his. |
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Post by polgara on May 5, 2017 1:38:03 GMT
How would she find Gordon? Didn't Fitz kill him?
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Post by aquaangel on May 5, 2017 1:38:54 GMT
How would she find Gordon? Didn't Fitz kill him? I thought he died as well. |
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Post by polgara on May 5, 2017 1:50:22 GMT
All right... No speculation on the events of this episode? (I did read the other thread...) The Framework obviously exists after AIDA's exit. Will it continue on as an independent dimension, or does it still exists because of Ophilia? Does she still control the Framework, or is it an entity of the Darkhold now? I think as long as a real human is inside the framework stays active, but if Mack and Radcliffe were to leave then it would "paused" waiting for someone else to enter it. I guess since Aida is self aware if she were trapped in there it would continue running. That might be a good place to imprison her if she isn't killed by one of our team.Mack was always the grounded one. He knows the Framework is a lie, he knows it isn't real. Drove me nuts that that characteristic doesn't exist where he is now. Most of me wanted Daisy to knock him out and throw him into the real world. (Radcliffe could have helped...) He doesn't want to leave Hope. He may know it's not true but he certainly feels like she is his daughter.I know I can probably look at the cast for ep 21 and 22, but I'm not. I hate spoilers. But I can't believe we've seen the last of Ward and Tripp. I hope we get one last chance, but there was certainly a feeling of goodbye the last time we saw them both.At the start of this arc, I wasn't sure where they were going with the show, but it's been a wild ride... I've enjoyed it. |
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Post by Hari Seldon on May 5, 2017 2:34:55 GMT
How would she find Gordon? Didn't Fitz kill him? I thought he died as well. Yes, Gordon died. Trip and Ward also died but were fine within the framework. Ophelia probably put someone other than Fitz on the project, found Gordon or at least a sample of his DNA within the framework, got the other person within the framework to figure out how to put the abilities into her DNA, then fed that to Fitz to use on the lookingglass machine he designed without actually telling him why. And if she did that with Gordon I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she did it with several other inhumans. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on May 5, 2017 9:22:33 GMT
All right... No speculation on the events of this episode? (I did read the other thread...) The Framework obviously exists after AIDA's exit. Will it continue on as an independent dimension, or does it still exists because of Ophilia? Does she still control the Framework, or is it an entity of the Darkhold now? I think as long as a real human is inside the framework stays active, but if Mack and Radcliffe were to leave then it would "paused" waiting for someone else to enter it. I guess since Aida is self aware if she were trapped in there it would continue running. That might be a good place to imprison her if she isn't killed by one of our team.That would depend on where Ophelia transported to. If she can transport between the Framework and the real world, nothing can trap her there. My fear is Fitz sacrificing himself to destroy Ophelia. But he knows she isn't real. She's no more than a construct, just like a robot. And we know he doesn't like robots... Maybe alt-Mack needs a dose of Yo-Yo. If they're not going to bring them back to the real world, and the framework continues beyond the destruction of AIDA/Ophelia, then we should at least get some closure, like Ward getting Skye back. As much as I dislike the character, he at least deserves that. Oh, and Tripp in the Patriot suit would be good too...  |
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Post by backroadjunkie on May 5, 2017 9:27:04 GMT
Here's a wildcard we've all forgotten about.
Vijay Nadeer.
Let's revisit. They dump Vijay's body in the ocean, where he re-crystallizes. (Or whatever they call it.)
Superior's submarine and secret base are all... In the ocean.
Was all that a prop just to have him in the Framework? Probably not. At least I hope not.
Only two episodes left. It would be a terrible loose end to leave hanging...
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Post by aquaangel on May 5, 2017 11:29:01 GMT
Here's a wildcard we've all forgotten about. Vijay Nadeer. Let's revisit. They dump Vijay's body in the ocean, where he re-crystallizes. (Or whatever they call it.) Superior's submarine and secret base are all... In the ocean. Was all that a prop just to have him in the Framework? Probably not. At least I hope not. Only two episodes left. It would be a terrible loose end to leave hanging... Perhaps VJay will sacrifice himself to end Aida? Maybe that's his purpose. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on May 5, 2017 11:33:12 GMT
Here's a wildcard we've all forgotten about. Vijay Nadeer. Let's revisit. They dump Vijay's body in the ocean, where he re-crystallizes. (Or whatever they call it.) Superior's submarine and secret base are all... In the ocean. Was all that a prop just to have him in the Framework? Probably not. At least I hope not. Only two episodes left. It would be a terrible loose end to leave hanging... Perhaps VJay will sacrifice himself to end Aida? Maybe that's his purpose. I have no idea how they'll use the character, but there's no way they won't bring him back at some point with him being cocooned in the ocean in real life currently and his brief appearance in the Framework. |
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Post by beren44 on May 5, 2017 12:11:34 GMT
That would depend on where Ophelia transported to. If she can transport between the Framework and the real world, nothing can trap her there. My fear is Fitz sacrificing himself to destroy Ophelia. B: Good questions about the Framework's continued existence. I would hope that Fitz or Radcliffe or Aida, if any one them end up back in the real world, could simply pull the plug, or flip the switch, or something, and just end it. Since it is now running like S.E.T.I., across the entire 'net, it could be more like a nasty computer virus that has a 'life of its own'. *no pun intended, but after writing that, there is certainly one there*.
Which brings up the question, since Ophelia is now in a flesh and blood body, and she has apparently killed off the last Aida-bot, if Fitz kills her in the FW, would that be her permanent end? If indeed she 'Gordoned' the real-world Fitz back to the Maytrix, he is going to have ALL his memories intact this time, and may not be quite as cooperative as his first time in Oz. And he knows where the portal is, he could just jump back through it, end of story.?But he knows she isn't real. She's no more than a construct, just like a robot. And we know he doesn't like robots... Maybe alt-Mack needs a dose of Yo-Yo.B: That is an excellent idea, and we are set up perfectly for that to happen. No way I'd bet against that scenario.If they're not going to bring them back to the real world, and the framework continues beyond the destruction of AIDA/Ophelia, then we should at least get some closure, like Ward getting Skye back. As much as I dislike the character, he at least deserves that. Oh, and Tripp in the Patriot suit would be good too... |
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Post by haxemon on May 5, 2017 13:11:51 GMT
They dump Vijay's body in the ocean I thought he was in a lake near the his family hideout. I don't really think even if he is in the ocean he's just going to float past the Superior's submarine. However - it does seem like he's "in play" in some way. The fact that they used him in the Framework hopefully means they haven't forgotten about him in the real world. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on May 5, 2017 21:57:02 GMT
That would depend on where Ophelia transported to. If she can transport between the Framework and the real world, nothing can trap her there. My fear is Fitz sacrificing himself to destroy Ophelia. B: Good questions about the Framework's continued existence. I would hope that Fitz or Radcliffe or Aida, if any one them end up back in the real world, could simply pull the plug, or flip the switch, or something, and just end it. Since it is now running like S.E.T.I., across the entire 'net, it could be more like a nasty computer virus that has a 'life of its own'. *no pun intended, but after writing that, there is certainly one there*. Well, with AIDA out of the framework and it's continued existence, it may not be as simple as pulling the plug. It may have started as a computer simulation, but they had to use the Darkhold to create the Framework. I've been calling it an alternate reality/other dimension rather than a plain computer simulation for a while now. If the Darkhold created it, the Darkhold may be needed to destroy it. Since Fitz created Project Looking Glass, I'd assume a backup AIDA exists on a hard disk, and could conceivably be recreated by the hardware on the real-world side. But yeah, kill her in the framework or the real world, it doesn't matter, just kill her. (He can't jump through the portal without Daisy. There's a pool of molten steel (or something like that) covering the portal courtesy of Madam Hydra.) |
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Post by ayanami on May 5, 2017 22:06:44 GMT
Well, with AIDA out of the framework and it's continued existence, it may not be as simple as pulling the plug. It may have started as a computer simulation, but they had to use the Darkhold to create the Framework. I've been calling it an alternate reality/other dimension rather than a plain computer simulation for a while now. If the Darkhold created it, the Darkhold may be needed to destroy it. Since Fitz created Project Looking Glass, I'd assume a backup AIDA exists on a hard disk, and could conceivably be recreated by the hardware on the real-world side. But yeah, kill her in the framework or the real world, it doesn't matter, just kill her. (He can't jump through the portal without Daisy. There's a pool of molten steel (or something like that) covering the portal courtesy of Madam Hydra.) The Darkhold was needed to make the framework as detailed and massive as it turned out, but there has been no indication that it exists outside of a computer simulation. 1s and 0s, that's all there is to the framework, no matter how astounding it is. |
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