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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 10, 2021 1:54:14 GMT
Maybe I missed something, but I'm a bit unclear what Wakanda has planned for Zemo. I know they want to take him, but are they looking to put him in one of their prisons, execute him, or make the battle rhinos mate with him? The entire GRC bit seems like some retcon since very few of these reintegration problems were happening anywhere shown in Spiderman Far From Home. They showed a few people in support groups, but nothing even remotely similar to this series. Didn't seem like it in Wandavision either, though we didn't see much outside of the one town. Not that this is really new for the MCU; the start of Endgame looked like 90% or more of the population had disappeared rather than 50%. Definitely looks like Walker has gone to the dark side, but it also didn't look like he had far to go to get there. I think the end scene was supposed to be symbolic since it reminded me of how Cap was over Stark with his shield and looked like he was going to kill but didn't in Civil War.
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Post by haxemon on Apr 10, 2021 20:34:14 GMT
I don't think you missed anything. They haven't said exactly what Wakanda plans for Zemo, only that they aren't likely to sit still with him on the loose.
As for the GRC, I'll just submit that apparently some of the original plot for this series revolved around a pandemic. The Flag Smashers stealing vaccine was to get it to people that were being overlooked (in their eyes). So some of the vibe your getting could be due to them changing that due to sensitivity to COVID. They may have switched it to be more of a "displacement" thing than just some groups getting overlooked. So not mentioning it in Far From Home makes a bit more sense.
And yeah, the end scene was clearly meant to recall Civil War and show the different path this Captain America took over the "real" one.
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Post by TommyWizard on Apr 11, 2021 0:47:15 GMT
The parallel is also interesting because in the case of Civil War it was Tony in anger because he learned who killed his parents and tried to avenge them and Steve acting act a shield to protect Bucky.
In that case this Cap sidekick "seems" to have be killed or at least thats what John quickly jumps to and don't hesitate to kill right away because of this.
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Post by haxemon on Apr 11, 2021 1:01:03 GMT
Yup. They're definitely going out of their way to make him the "anti-Cap". Carries a gun, wants the serum, quick to anger, lies easily, wants credit. I can hear the lines from CA:TFA "what's good, becomes great, what's bad becomes worse"
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Post by ayanami on Apr 11, 2021 2:06:03 GMT
Yup. They're definitely going out of their way to make him the "anti-Cap". Carries a gun, wants the serum, quick to anger, lies easily, wants credit. I can hear the lines from CA:TFA "what's good, becomes great, what's bad becomes worse" Yeah, the whole "would you take the serum?" parts and the possible consequences of that were very reminscinet of Steve and Dr. Erskine's conversation in. Although, I have to admit, for me the answer to that hypothetical question is a very clear "yes!". In a heartbeat!  Also, if we're talking about movements/gestures we've seen before (new Cap using the shield to kill someone as opposed to Steve), I have to say that I had the hugest grin on my face after Bucky reattached his arm and made like a forceful swinging motion to get it to work smoothely again. He made the exact same movement back in The Winter Soldier after Natasha momentarily immobilised his arm with her electro stunner thingies. (And yes, I'm pretty sure that's the official term for those gadgets! ) Talk about continuity! |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 11, 2021 5:41:34 GMT
Just a guess, but Cap killing someone begging for his life on social media isn't going to be good for the overall image of Walker. CA's bloodstained shield was some mighty powerful imagery. And now that he's taken the serum, the cat's out of the bag.
I still suspect Sharon is (or is connected with) the power broker. (What's with these names, lol?)
Karli never should have gone and threatened Sam's sister. That makes her a effing spoon. (Is spoon still the replacement word?) Didn't she watch the Nobody trailers? You don't go after someone in their home, lol...
As I said last week, all the characters are a shade of grey. And they've only got two more hours to clean it all up, unless this series is a lead-in to another franchise like WandaVision was.
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Post by Black Widow on Apr 15, 2021 18:24:38 GMT
I liken US Agent (TFATWS) to Jean Paul Valley from DC.
Jean Paul Valley was Azrael from the Order of Dumas. He was kinda unstable, but technically he was a superhero. After Bane broke Bruce Wayne/Batman's back, Jean would take up the mantle as Batman. People like Selina Kyle would be able to know that he was not the OG Batman. He would kill criminals. He grew more insane. Bruce Wayne would eventually heal himself up and come back and take back the mantle of Batman by force from Jean.
I see a lot of similarities between Jean and US Agent. Both were unfit for the mantles they become custodians for.
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Post by TommyWizard on Apr 15, 2021 20:16:54 GMT
I liken US Agent (TFATWS) to Jean Paul Valley from DC.
Jean Paul Valley was Azrael from the Order of Dumas. He was kinda unstable, but technically he was a superhero. After Bane broke Bruce Wayne/Batman's back, Jean would take up the mantle as Batman. People like Selina Kyle would be able to know that he was not the OG Batman. He would kill criminals. He grew more insane. Bruce Wayne would eventually heal himself up and come back and take back the mantle of Batman by force from Jean.
I see a lot of similarities between Jean and US Agent. Both were unfit for the mantles they become custodians for.
I've heard of that story for a while tho the one i actually read was in DC Universe continuity with Jean Paul part of the bat-team trying to do his best, i think his appareance is still canon but i'm not sure.
And i guess it often happens in comics, a new character taking up a mantle but they're too fundamentally different to fit in it  |
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