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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 19, 2021 9:52:47 GMT
First, I want, no, need some Nexus, lol.
Didn't anyone ever tell Wanda never to go into the basement in a horror flick? And yeah, ignore the rest of the basement and go into the scary corridors. (It's still pretty funny they're still cloaking it all in a sit-com.)
So true to the comics, Agnes is Agatha Harkness, the one pushing all the buttons on things Wanda can't control. Since Scarlett Witch and Harkness have been both allies and enemies, I'm not sure who's side she's on yet. And since I think we're established in 616, this also makes me think the big-big-bad is the one I named in that mid-season review.
With Rambeau's DNA being rewritten the third time, I believe she just became the new Captain Marvel, no? I think that was even re-enforced when she saw the power-grid lines. Slots right into the powers she's supposed to have. She even made it into the hex with her SWORD suit intact. I wonder if Darcy will get superpowers, too.
And Vision seems to be taking all this rather well. For a dead guy, anyway. 
Jeez, why to I feel like this ep's only purpose was to set up for the next two eps, lol...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 19, 2021 11:24:40 GMT
Man, I hate it when I lose entire posts here, lol.
Speculation:
I've been noticing everyone having these glowing eyes. Different colored eyes. Got me thinking...
Blue: Space Stone - Rambeau Red: Reality Stone - Wanda Purple: Power Stone - Harkness Yellow: Mind Stone - Maybe Vision, but doesn't fit the profile. Could be Darcy?
That means Green and orange (and probably yellow) aren't accounted for yet, though I think the possiblility of Strange showing up is still pretty good. He could represent green, though he might be disqualified like Vision.
Maybe Wiccan will show up with glowing eyes. His powers were just coming out this episode. I need to go back and scan the previous episodes to see if any characters are associated with a color...
Anyway, are we seeing the living incarnations of the stones? Is that what's going to make the multi-verse explode into the MCU?
Probably just coincidence, but then too, this is Marvel...
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Post by Hari Seldon on Feb 20, 2021 2:49:45 GMT
Since the glitches started right after the borders were expanded, my running theory had been that she made the pocket larger than she could control (still possible, but unlikely with the Agnes revelation). I would indeed welcome Monica becoming the new Ms Marvel and hope this actress is a bit less of a misandrist. Her SWORD outfit even looked like a superhero costume. As far as Darcy getting powers, perhaps if she does then she can lose her job and Jane Foster also loses her job as she gains the powers of Thor. The two of them could get an apartment together and they'd be "Two Broke Superheroes". 😎🙀🙀😎
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Post by haxemon on Feb 20, 2021 13:54:06 GMT
While I'm generally not a fan of the trope where the villain ends up saying "well, well, well, you finally figured it out, please let me do an exposition monologue to sum things up", I think in this case it was okay. Partly because I think Agatha is still lying and messing with Wanda and partly because even if it's all true, it can still mess with Wanda and keep her off balance.
Having the Photon/Pulsar version of Captain Marvel should be great and does give them a way to run away from Brie Larson if they need to (I stay away from actor scandals/rumors as much as I do spoilers).
I don't see Darcy or anyone else getting powers out of this however since there were a ton of people that crossed over the way she did. At the very least the SWORD people caught up in the expansion of the hex and probably everyone within the hex originally as well (except Agatha who appeared to join late).
Speaking of exposition, I'm wondering if Darcy's knowledge of the events of Infinity War are "common knowledge" or more from her hacking into places she's not supposed to? It seems like Wanda destroying the Mind Stone, then Thanos rewinding time to rip it out again would be pretty uncommon knowledge. Perhaps Cap or Nat filed a report in some way that Darcy discovered?
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Post by haxemon on Feb 20, 2021 14:00:38 GMT
Since the glitches started right after the borders were expanded, my running theory had been that she made the pocket larger than she could control (still possible, but unlikely with the Agnes revelation). I would indeed welcome Monica becoming the new Ms Marvel and hope this actress is a bit less of a misandrist. Her SWORD outfit even looked like a superhero costume. As far as Darcy getting powers, perhaps if she does then she can lose her job and Jane Foster also loses her job as she gains the powers of Thor. The two of them could get an apartment together and they'd be "Two Broke Superheroes". 😎🙀🙀😎
I attributed the glitches to Wanda's slow emergence from whatever has been "controlling" her (I use quotes as I don't think it's quite that simple). In the previous couple of episodes, various moments have caused Wanda to question what's going on even though she's reluctant to. The early part of the episode where she's basically experiencing the trivialized TV version of depression makes me think she was reaching the self-awareness/self-acceptance phase of her emotional journey. Not quite ready to face her pain but getting weary of hiding from it. So part of her mind wanted to drop the BS and part of her mind was holding on and even overcorrecting (hence the black and white TV, reverting to the Brady Bunch staircase etc.) Expanding the hex certainly could play into it as well, but I took it more as part of the overcorrection - the part of her that wants the fantasy to continue sort of doubled down and that of course tested the limits of her powers and spread her pretty thin - allowing the part of her that's trying to break free to gain a bit of footing. I doubt they'd go there, but some sort of Wanda vs. Wanda battle could be coming. The week between episodes is killing me LOL. But I suppose it's better than the months between series if they had dropped the entire season at once. |
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Post by haxemon on Feb 20, 2021 14:04:03 GMT
Anyway, are we seeing the living incarnations of the stones? Is that what's going to make the multi-verse explode into the MCU? Probably just coincidence, but then too, this is Marvel... This is (in theory) the only reality without any stones right? So there could easily be an angle here where Thanos using the stones to destroy the stones really just sort of "spread" them out. The stones themselves may be inevitable (not Thanos). I sort of hope they don't do this though as I feel like we spent 20+ films focused on the stones. But I trust that they'd do it in a good way if they were going to. |
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Post by haxemon on Feb 20, 2021 14:52:13 GMT
Oh and I'm also quite relieved that they didn't introduce the Fantastic Four. (Note if there are spoilers out there on this please tag them)
I generally trust Marvel to do things right, but introducing the first family of Marvel as a small plot point in WandaVision wouldn't work for me I don't think. Allusions to them (similar to the "Stephen Strange" reference in Civil War) would be fine, but literally doing such a massive character reveal that way would be a bad move IMO.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Feb 20, 2021 16:35:10 GMT
Oh and I'm also quite relieved that they didn't introduce the Fantastic Four. (Note if there are spoilers out there on this please tag them) I generally trust Marvel to do things right, but introducing the first family of Marvel as a small plot point in WandaVision wouldn't work for me I don't think. Allusions to them (similar to the "Stephen Strange" reference in Civil War) would be fine, but literally doing such a massive character reveal that way would be a bad move IMO. You can go back farther than that for the "Strange" reference. Spiderman 2, Jonah Jameson was throwing out ideas for what to name Octavius and threw out, "Doctor Strange - except that's already taken". |
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Post by haxemon on Feb 20, 2021 17:58:55 GMT
Oh and I'm also quite relieved that they didn't introduce the Fantastic Four. (Note if there are spoilers out there on this please tag them) I generally trust Marvel to do things right, but introducing the first family of Marvel as a small plot point in WandaVision wouldn't work for me I don't think. Allusions to them (similar to the "Stephen Strange" reference in Civil War) would be fine, but literally doing such a massive character reveal that way would be a bad move IMO. You can go back farther than that for the "Strange" reference. Spiderman 2, Jonah Jameson was throwing out ideas for what to name Octavius and threw out, "Doctor Strange - except that's already taken". True enough - and actually while I was restricting myself to the MCU I suppose the Sony-verse might end up being folded in to the greater MCU (or MCMU for Marvel Cinematic Multi-Universe)? |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 20, 2021 19:03:25 GMT
Since the glitches started right after the borders were expanded, my running theory had been that she made the pocket larger than she could control (still possible, but unlikely with the Agnes revelation). I read a theory involving House of M which made a whole lot of sense, but I don't think they have the time left in the show to pull it off. I mean, she even nailed the superhero landing after Wanda threw her up in the air. How much more proof do you need?  I figured once Jane gets her powers, that'd pretty much end Darcy's storyline. This gives Marvel an avenue to keep the character alive, at a time when they're going to need a bunch of familiar characters to fill all the D+ shows, like Sharon Carter in Falcon and Winter Solder. I need to know if she knows Cap went back to live his life with Peggy, lol...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 20, 2021 19:37:01 GMT
While I'm generally not a fan of the trope where the villain ends up saying "well, well, well, you finally figured it out, please let me do an exposition monologue to sum things up", I think in this case it was okay. Partly because I think Agatha is still lying and messing with Wanda and partly because even if it's all true, it can still mess with Wanda and keep her off balance. In the context of WandaVision, it's having the show morph from WandaVision to Agatha All Along, and the montage is Agatha's show intro. So a clever way to show it's been Agatha's show all along. (Talk about a spoiler in the title, lol...) The Munsters type music was an added bonus... Danvers is off planet too much. The MCU needs a more local version.  In physical time, it's been 5 years. It could have come from any number of sources who were there. Since it was such a life changing event for those who survived, I'd imagine the story would have become public knowledge... |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 20, 2021 19:50:41 GMT
Anyway, are we seeing the living incarnations of the stones? Is that what's going to make the multi-verse explode into the MCU? Probably just coincidence, but then too, this is Marvel... This is (in theory) the only reality without any stones right? So there could easily be an angle here where Thanos using the stones to destroy the stones really just sort of "spread" them out. The stones themselves may be inevitable (not Thanos). I sort of hope they don't do this though as I feel like we spent 20+ films focused on the stones. But I trust that they'd do it in a good way if they were going to. I just found it curious that the colors would relate to the character's background. It's been repeatedly pointed out the Rambeau goes to space, hence the blue space stone. Wanda's altered the reality of all of Westview (and beyond), red reality stone. Harkness (in the comics) is supposed to have Strange level powers, purple power stone.
The reason it could all be coincidence is because the characters don't have the ability of the stone itself.
It could also just be delusion from what you think about when you're shoveling a couple tons of snow. BWahahahaha...
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Post by haxemon on Feb 20, 2021 19:55:08 GMT
In physical time, it's been 5 years. It could have come from any number of sources who were there. Since it was such a life changing event for those who survived, I'd imagine the story would have become public knowledge... That's totally possible of course. Mind you it certainly wasn't Wanda's report if it's been circulating for 5 years. When she started telling that bit at first I went through two mental double-takes. One about the time stone and how could _anyone_ know that Vision initially sacrificed himself? (Which I quickly remembered that the time reversal was very localized and Wanda watched it happen - likely Cap and some others too.) And then one wondering how something that happened in front of a handful of Avengers, half of them dusted for 5 years, would be something Darcy would know. But after reflection and discussion here it does seem there are lots of possible answers. Darcy snooping a SWORD database being only one of the most likely. In the aftermath of the snap there could have been statements released from governments that in turn came from Cap's reports to whomever was in power etc. So there literally could have been news reports detailing Vision and Wanda's attempted sacrifice etc. |
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Post by TommyWizard on Feb 27, 2021 5:38:37 GMT
I thought i send my post on the previous night but i probably passed out...
I wanted to say i'm even more curious about Wanda's powers, was her powers always magical and she never had any idea (and i know that what what she displayed on the show so far arent only her powers) OR a magical intervention (Agatha in that case) made her a conduit for magical feats?
Also i saw an interesting theory from an online review, this Pietro could actually be the real MVerse Pietro tho i doubt Agatha is powerful enough to pull someone from another Earth?
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 27, 2021 8:59:31 GMT
I thought i send my post on the previous night but i probably passed out... I wanted to say i'm even more curious about Wanda's powers, was her powers always magical and she never had any idea (and i know that what what she displayed on the show so far arent only her powers) OR a magical intervention (Agatha in that case) made her a conduit for magical feats? Also i saw an interesting theory from an online review, this Pietro could actually be the real MVerse Pietro tho i doubt Agatha is powerful enough to pull someone from another Earth?
In the comics, Harkness actually taught Wanda how to use her powers, so she's not a conduit as much as shaping who Scarlett Witch is. I wonder if she will become a mentor to help Wanda control her powers...
Harkness (again in the comics) is supposed to have Strange level powers....
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