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Post by haxemon on Feb 16, 2021 13:38:54 GMT
Define your scope of "spoilers", lol. Spoilers for WandaVision, or spoilers for Phase IV? Well, pretty much everything. It's a quirk and I "own" it, but yeah I really would rather every single film and TV episode to be something 100% new with no hints even. So thanks for the tag and I'll wait until after season 1 is over before I come back and read through.  |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 16, 2021 14:33:35 GMT
I don't know how they do it without the stone, though, and I'm not sure Wanda is powerful enough to recreate it. Didn't Banner say in Infinity War that Vision is a complex combination of JARVIS, Ultron, Banner, Stark etc.? And that without the mind stone he might not only be "whole" but it might be the best parts? I couldn't find the specific quote (and too lazy to fire up the bluray). That's what Shuri was trying to accomplish before the Black Order broke into the lab. But I think they made it pretty clear that with Vision tied to the stone, the removal would kill him. Now, it would be real convenient if Shuri made enough of the connections that Vision could be brought back to life in some fashion or another, like the inability to phase though matter or some other handicap... The thing Vision has going for him, is he didn't die a heroic death, like Stark. So yeah, I can see him coming back, if only to keep Wanda sane. Wanda shouldn't be the one who does it, though. And should it be done through tech or magic... |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 16, 2021 14:45:58 GMT
Define your scope of "spoilers", lol. Spoilers for WandaVision, or spoilers for Phase IV? Well, pretty much everything. It's a quirk and I "own" it, but yeah I really would rather every single film and TV episode to be something 100% new with no hints even. So thanks for the tag and I'll wait until after season 1 is over before I come back and read through. I get it. I was completely spoiler free for AoS. The MCU, not so much, probably because of the time between productions.
I've also more or less been looking into the MCU/D+ and SW/D+ productions, because I'm interested in how Disney (and Marvel and Lucasfilm) is going to approach and use Disney+. So because of that, I probably know more about WandaVision than I normally would...
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Post by haxemon on Feb 16, 2021 17:29:27 GMT
The thing Vision has going for him, is he didn't die a heroic death, like Stark. So yeah, I can see him coming back, if only to keep Wanda sane. Wanda shouldn't be the one who does it, though. And should it be done through tech or magic... Right. And that he's synthetic to begin with. So "coming back to life" is less of a stretch. I do think that Shuri may have gotten close and that might be used as part of the rationalization for him coming back. They could really explore some interesting (and dark) ideas with that in fact. Like if he's back but 'different' it could almost be a Pet Cemetery sort of vibe. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Feb 16, 2021 22:13:38 GMT
I don't know how they do it without the stone, though, and I'm not sure Wanda is powerful enough to recreate it. Didn't Banner say in Infinity War that Vision is a complex combination of JARVIS, Ultron, Banner, Stark etc.? And that without the mind stone he might not only be "whole" but it might be the best parts? I couldn't find the specific quote (and too lazy to fire up the bluray). I think they set the table from the start to be able to bring some form of Vision back. While I get the "nobody every dies" thing gets tiresome, I think it's okay to use sparingly. And when there's at least some semblance of forethought and not just lazy writers wanting an excuse to use a dead character. You're right. He said (paraphrasing) that even without the mind stone, there was a whole lot of Vision left, maybe the best parts. |
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Post by haxemon on Feb 16, 2021 22:34:36 GMT
On Pietro/Peter - I think part of casting Evan Peters instead of ATJ might a way to "sort of" bring in the XCU without having to do it literally (with all the mess that comes with it). Essentially saying there are infinite realities and in some of them Pietro looks like ATJ, some he looks like Even Peters, and in some maybe "Petra" and she's female. So I think this version either is another reality's version or is more likely based on another realities version. i.e. someone who doesn't really "get" realities the way Dormammu doesn't "get" the concept of time. So they can pull in other XCU actors or history while ignoring others if they want to. If Wanda pulls in some actual people from another reality/multi-verse or whatever or if she ends up recreating them in the MCU they could be from something that's close to but not exactly the XCU. Heck, they could even pretend the messed up XCU chronology is due to some entity (or Wanda) messing with it and that's why things are patchy. People don't realize they are in a simulation if they're in a simulation |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 17, 2021 11:18:27 GMT
On Pietro/Peter - I think part of casting Evan Peters instead of ATJ might a way to "sort of" bring in the XCU without having to do it literally (with all the mess that comes with it). Sort of? Along with Speed and Wiccan, I see it as Marvel mashing it into your face and putting cartoon balloons over it that say, "LOOK HERE! LOOK HERE!" I moved the next bit down, so if you reply you can avoid the spoiler. (If you know the relationship between WandaVision and Phase IV, then it's not a spoiler. Well, probably not a spoiler.) The real horrific part about Westview, is it isn't a simulation. The people are real (in that reality, lol), but are being mind-controlled by Wanda. (Imagine waking up one morning, and you're acting the part of someone else. You're still haxemon inside and are aware of what you're being forced to do, but you can't do anything about it. And what if you're one of those guys near the edge of town?) I really feel it's kind of creepy, especially since it's all still cloaked in a sit-com. Well, WandaVision introduces mutants and the XCU, and will lead into Strange 2, The Multiverse of Madness. Hmmm... Before Strange 2, however is Spiderman 3, which seems to be going through the same sort of twist, bringing back previous incarnations of the character. With the rumors of Jane getting Thor type powers, that sets things up for Thor 4 or 5 to be in the multi-verse, but I'll leave that there.  All too coincidental. Like Phases 1 through 3 led to Infinity War/Endgame, I think we're seeing Marvel setting up the next big adventure... |
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