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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 14, 2020 11:04:06 GMT
I submitted a goof for the episode on IMDb - When Simmons activates that pulse that knocks out all electronics including Coulson and the Chronicoms, Yo-Yo's robotic arms still work without interruption. I'm surprised that the Chronicoms haven't shielded themselves from such a simple attack. Their entire civilization could be wiped out (well, before Izel and Sarge wiped them out) with a few well placed nuclear devices in their atmosphere.
I'm also straining to understand how Simmons not only got the EMP device working, but improved it's output with just a soldering iron. ("Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an engineer!")
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 14, 2020 11:08:34 GMT
Jemma Simmons , that was ambitious of you to impersonate Ms. Carter.  Minus that fake accent, of course...
I'd really like Souza to be the Koenig of this time-frame, and get to see who the team really is.
Maybe he's an inhuman. It's the final season, after all. Let's get rid of that limp...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 14, 2020 12:11:02 GMT
- First of all, I hated Skye telling Deke to shoot Freddy last week on SO MANY levels. First of all, she’s not in charge. I might not be happy about Mack being director, but the fact remains that he IS. Plus, Skye has already proven before that she makes for a terrible leader, so what the hell was she thinking giving that order despite literally everyone else disagreeing?? Not to mention the tiny detail that killing Freddy was EXACTLY what the Chronicoms were trying to achieve, which she was fully aware of!! But, hey, sure, Skye definitely has a better understanding of the repercussions of that action than the race of sentient super computers.  There's a reason they're pushing this point. I wonder if Yo-Yo holds the key in "curing" the Inhuman "problem", and they're setting Daisy up for a fall... Certainly no lemons for Daisy now! I'm not sure Deke's become a better person, as much as having adapted to his new environment. I'm not sure he was considered a bad guy in the future Lighthouse. He was a conniving opportunist, but then, he still is. He was never a murderer, it's just that death and misery was (uh... would have been) a common occurrence in the Lighthouse. This, unfortunately was addressed in the previews they play over the credits. I address in the spoiler in my summary post if you really want to know... I hope there exists an outtake where he describes where they would "probe" that never made it to the final cut. I wonder if "Gerald Sharpe" is based on someone... I suspect the Fitz reveal will tell us a lot of things the writers are hiding from us. I'm hoping we'll see an entire episode in a couple of weeks of what happened between the time Enoch saves FitzSimmons in the Lighthouse, to the time Simmons shows up to save May in the aftermath of the Izel finale. Let us also not forget Flint and that sample of the monolith they took at the temple. What happened to them? Let's get this show on the road! |
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Post by FreeKresge on Jun 14, 2020 16:29:22 GMT
Like others, I side with Deke in the conversation between him and Daisy. First, everyone has a duty to disobey any illegal orders. As a general rule, murder is considered illegal. (I know that S.H.I.E.L.D. has performed presumably legal assassinations at times, but I doubt that any presumably legal ones were based on the spontaneous whim of someone below the Director level.) Furthermore, while it is probably true that Daisy outranks Deke, Mack outranks Daisy. She should remember this. After all, she was the one who nominated him. It was not as if Deke had to shoot that very second or it would be too late. What Daisy should have done was ask Deke to pass the walkie-talkie to Mack and briefed him on Freddy's identity. From then, it would be Mack's call. Of course, this assumes that Mack is the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. This is not just the fact that he was given the position based on an impromptu vote by a handful of people who would not have the authority to make a decision on leadership of anyone beyond that small handful of people. Even if Mack were legitimate, he would be legitimate in 2020. In 1955, S.H.I.E.L.D. presumably has its own Director, perhaps Peggy Carter. Speaking of whom, where was she? My understanding is that the Chronicom's dastardly plan was to wipe out all the top people of S.H.I.E.L.D. (some of whom were probably Hydra). Judging by the reaction to the "Peggy Carter" impersonator, the real Carter would be a top person in S.H.I.E.L.D. Even if the Chronicoms accomplished their mission, would Carter not simply rebuild the organization again? If we get Peggy Carter, and if the show takes into account the events in Avengers: Endgame, it would be in the team's interest for the real Peggy Carter to show up. I suspect that she knows someone who could vouch for Coulson, if that person can be convinced that this really is Coulson. This is almost definitely too obvious, but I need to point out that someone else has more experience impersonating Peggy Carter than Simmons has: There are still plenty of Old Testament names left, so why does the new Chronicom have a name that comes from Ancient Greece? I am aware that according to legend, one of Noah's daughters-in-law was a sibyl, but this does not come from the Old Testament itself, and she was not named "Sibyl." I know that the Chronicom posing as the police captain is called "Luke" (a New Testament name), but not in the show itself. This is the second episode in a row with a Casablanca reference. In this one, does Simmons relate to the idea of giving up someone one loves for a higher purpose? For Sousa's sake, I am going to hope that the file that we saw of him was very out of date in 1955. Not only did it say that he was still single, but he has not received a raise since 1946. What was Sousa thinking when he locked Simmons and Coulson together? Unless the room was bugged and he was hoping that they would incriminate themselves, putting the two of them in a room would simply give them the opportunity to come up with a strategy. Posting a guard outside the door also would have been wise. In the last episode, we saw Simmons wear a mask and gloves like a grocery store cashier. In this episode, May says, "I can't breathe," and we see tear gas. It is sometimes hard to remember that these episodes were probably filmed over a year ago and are not trying to comment on current events. I saw a couple of reviews of this episode in which the reviewers said that they were starting to ship Simmons with Sousa. I guess that this is in part because it has been so long since we saw any other potential partner for Simmons on screen. Regarding the more obvious love interest for Simmons, I do not know why it is taking so long for Fitz to appear on screen. Even if Iain De Caestecker were not available for a specific period of time, the show could accommodate. When filming these episodes, nobody knew exactly when they would air. What was known was that they would not air for a while. Assuming that scripts were available, the show could shoot scenes in any order. I have been wondering about the real reason and have come up with all sorts of wacky theories from people not getting along with De Caestecker to him demanding too much money per episode. I suspect that the real reason is that the writers still have no clue on how to write FitzSimmons, so the writers resort to separating them constantly in a vain hope that we do not notice. While it has been fun to see the characters in different time settings, I do not see how this can continue much longer. If the Chronicoms keep trying and failing, they will turn into buffoons. I suspect that we have seen one semi-successful attack. However, it was not in this season but in the very first scene of the sixth season. We saw a ship destroy Enoch's ship, but we never learned who did it or why. At most, we learned that the attacking ship was the same type of ship as some in the fleet that the Chronicoms took from the Confederacy. It could be that the Chronicoms sent the ship back in time to take out Enoch and Fitz. While the Chronicoms failed to kill their targets, at least S.H.I.E.L.D. never made it in time to save Enoch's ship. It is possible that the time window closed too soon for the Chronicoms to go down to the moon and confirm that Enoch and Fitz were killed. May’s deadpan “He called my an oriental” actually had me laugh out loud!  I'm quite the opposite. May is plenty old enough (because she's got a couple years on me) to remember quite well that 'Oriental' was the proper term of the era. There wasn't a push to use 'Asian' instead until around 1990. I also find the problem with 'Oriental' to be absurd as the main argument against it is, "I'm not a rug." I know quite a few people who call themselves Polish and not a single one of them is worried about being mistaken for a sausage. Bottom line, I find May having a problem with being called 'Oriental' to be really stupid, even in the face of the argument that she's not acting like her normal self.
In California, the term "Oriental" was already well on its way out in the early 1980s. That being said, May should know that the term was standard in the 1950s. The issue had nothing to do with rugs. Part of it was that people with that designation felt that they should be able to decide what they were called rather than have Westerners make that decision. Mostly, it was a way to break free from stereotypes associated with the term "Oriental." I suspect that there was more going on. It is possible that May being upset by that slight was a sign of her psychological state at the time. I also wonder whether the original script used a much harsher word only for Standards and Practices to jump in and demand a softer term. I did appreciate the anti-commie stereotypical feel of 1955, probably something we should revive against Pooh and the current CCP, but I digress again... (<-- Barely concealed political propaganda. Sorry about that, lol.) Be careful. You might get this site banned in China. |
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Post by DoTheMath on Jun 15, 2020 0:32:46 GMT
Agents of SHIELD 703 random thoughts... Last week's recap showed Enoch, so I think chances are good we'll see him again. I wonder how much Enoch has influenced the creation of SHIELD, considering he's a bartender at Koenig's place, a future SHIELD hang out... Heh. Convenient that he'd be gone for the EMP... New title card. Science fiction vibe, lol... So of course, we're at Area 51. Area 51 was purported to be established in 1955. One guys says they've been there for a couple of years, so... Well, it was a secret base, right? So it's easier for the Zephyr to move forward in time, since they're following the wake of the Chronicoms. The team doesn't know what the Chronicom's ship looks like. If it turns out to be a police booth, I'll be very disappointed... It does beg the question how did the team get transported from current day to 1931? Yes, Yo-Yo can't yo-yo. They did show her starting to, so maybe shes getting better. Or it's psychological and she needs her metal arms. Either way, I almost didn't recognize her in the diner. And May had a panic attack. Broken May and Broken Yo-Yo make a fine pair, and they don't want to talk about it. Here's a problem that I hope doesn't continue. Every time they jump in time, they have to establish an entirely new set of characters and backgrounds. This takes up a lot of time. For instance, even if Souza is a crossover, they still have to give his back story for those who hadn't seen Agent Carter. Speaking of Agent Carter (and lol at the fake accent joke), it is nice to see the crossover. Yes, making Jemma portray Peggy was creative, but it would have been much more amusing to have had a face to face with Atwell. I'm unsure about that ID card Jemma had. Did they have the plastics for a card like that at that time? (I'll stop being anal about anachronisms now, lol...) Next time, they should just take each person into a room, stick him/her with a pin, and be done with it. Robo-Coulson and Simmons going through those little personal "1955" interrogations was a little overdone, especially by the time Coulson got to the bus. And the John Wayne bit, lol... I did appreciate the anti-commie stereotypical feel of 1955, probably something we should revive against Pooh and the current CCP, but I digress again... (<-- Barely concealed political propaganda. Sorry about that, lol.) Daisy's still hell bent on killing Malick. She has this "Can't see the forest for the trees" problem. I wonder if at some point she'll succeed, only to find out Gideon's been already born, and makes him more bitter against SHEILD. Too bad Powell passed away. And the ending... Mack: Earthing. You will not reveal what you've seen here today, or the next time we abduct you, you will be... (glances at Deke) Probed. (Deke smiles. I think I actually did laugh out loud...) I hope I'm wrong, but three eps in and this season is looking predictable. There needs to be one of those infamous plot twists soon. A couple more jumps will probably put them into the (younger) lifetimes of the team. I hope that's not where they're going... Lessee, 10 more eps means about 420 minutes. 7 hours. Spoiler based on the 30-second preview over the credits... So Sousa supposedly dies at the hands of Hydra. There isn't any real way to identify bodies in 1955. No DNA tracing yet. They could substitute another body, and take Sousa on as another agent this season. Wouldn't that be fun... Edit: Images now have to come from an https source? Can't find a way around it. The images show up when composing/editing the messages, but not in the forum itself. Wish they'd announce these changes...
Jemma said domething about needing to use another piece of the Monolith to go back in time. I remember seeing some guys take core samples of a Monolith when Jemma miraculosly appeared at the end of S6 finale. I remember thinking "what's that about?" but then never paid it any mind afterwards. Now, I know......... |
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Post by DoTheMath on Jun 15, 2020 0:49:08 GMT
I consider this speculation rather than spoiler about Souza, but the leaked photo with the bicycles showed the bike for Enver right next to the one for Iain and it seems doubtful that Fitz is just going to pop up in 1955.
Now, there may be a spoiler in this video, but I know you'll all click because it reveals how Enver Gjokaj pronounces his name:
Thanks. First time I ever heard his name pronounced.......... and, phonics ain't woth a damn in trying to work that one out.  |
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Post by DoTheMath on Jun 15, 2020 1:33:15 GMT
So I'm enjoying the hell out of S7. Like fctiger said, it's like going back to early AoS, when it was fun. This season is SO much different, yet it kinda, sorta, almost has the same vibe. I'm tying not to deep dive into it, I just want to enjoy this final ride. That said, I find it interesting that out of the writers' few consistencies is that Daisy is still ruled by her emotions. She ABSOLUTELY is not even close to being ready to be the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (what the hell was COulson thinking?) Really liking the walk through history. I also like how they are touching on the social injustices of the time periods they visit; like, the attitudes toward women and racisim. Especially how things didn't change much (any at all?) from 1931 to 1955. Seeing as how the Me Too and Black Lives Matter movements are so prolific now, it's obvious we haven't come very far since 1955......... But talk about timing, eh? S7 finished filming Oct of last year. Imagine when these eps were actually written. Whodda thunk that these eps would be airing now, at this point in time, with everything going on around the world. Not liking the YoYo storyline so far. Don't know if it's because it's a little "too outta the blue" for me, or what but I'm not liking it so far. I found May's storyline interesting and a bit humorous until Ep 3. Still interesting, but humorous is well in the rearview mirror now after her panic attack. I find stoic Jemma really interesting as well. Like others here on the forum, I can't help but wonder exactly how long she and AbsentFitz spent preparing for this mission. Just how much time actually passed between the scene in S6 when Enoch told them "the plan" and Jemma arrived at the temple? Seeing Jemma in this new phase in her development, I know who I think should be the Director. Diasy's Quake uppr-cut was awesome. Hope to see more of her shaking things up. Do Chronicoms get head aches? if so, May gave Enoch one helluva a brain pain. Deke's Days of Thunder line cracked me up. It reminded me of Skye's (yes, she was Skye then) reference to The Dude in S1 and Coulson and Ward were totally oblivious. Also liked the scene where Coulson and Agent Jemma Carter pull up in the car and they show Coulson's foot step to the ground just like when he arrived in New Mexico and he found the hammer. Don't know if it was an intentional reference or not, but to me it screamed "Hey, remember Coulson in the movies?" Thought it was a nice touch. Ten eps to go. I wonder how many time jumps there'll be this season. Can't wait to see Fitz. |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jun 15, 2020 1:52:44 GMT
In California, the term "Oriental" was already well on its way out in the early 1980s. That being said, May should know that the term was standard in the 1950s. The issue had nothing to do with rugs. Part of it was that people with that designation felt that they should be able to decide what they were called rather than have Westerners make that decision. Mostly, it was a way to break free from stereotypes associated with the term "Oriental." I suspect that there was more going on. It is possible that May being upset by that slight was a sign of her psychological state at the time. I also wonder whether the original script used a much harsher word only for Standards and Practices to jump in and demand a softer term. 1987 and written by Johnny Yune who was born in South Korea:
I suppose Standards and Practices would do something like force a show to have a person get offended at a term they shouldn't find offensive. Oriental refers to the southeastern region of Asia including China, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Korea, and some smaller countries. Asia as a whole also includes India, most of Russia, and several other countries.
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Post by FreeKresge on Jun 17, 2020 5:15:33 GMT
In California, the term "Oriental" was already well on its way out in the early 1980s. That being said, May should know that the term was standard in the 1950s. The issue had nothing to do with rugs. Part of it was that people with that designation felt that they should be able to decide what they were called rather than have Westerners make that decision. Mostly, it was a way to break free from stereotypes associated with the term "Oriental." I suspect that there was more going on. It is possible that May being upset by that slight was a sign of her psychological state at the time. I also wonder whether the original script used a much harsher word only for Standards and Practices to jump in and demand a softer term. 1987 and written by Johnny Yune who was born in South Korea: I suppose Standards and Practices would do something like force a show to have a person get offended at a term they shouldn't find offensive. Oriental refers to the southeastern region of Asia including China, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Korea, and some smaller countries. Asia as a whole also includes India, most of Russia, and several other countries.
I have not seen the film, but I looked at a few reviews. From what I can tell, this film (and its predecessor) is a compendium of the very stereotypes associated with the term, "Oriental," that led people to prefer the term, "Asian." I should probably clarify that when I said that the term was already well on its way out in California in the early 1980s, I meant that I moved to California in 1979 and soon found that the term was not used. I did a bit of research and found that the transition actually started in California the late 1960s. If May is supposed to be the same age as Ming-Na Wen, she should remember when "Oriental" was an accepted term especially as it is unlikely that the change happened instantaneously. Even if May is supposed to be younger, she should know enough history to know that "Oriental" would be the term used in 1955. Another thing I noticed when I moved to California is that mistaking someone of one Asian ethnicity for another Asian ethnicity is a good way to get into trouble. Thinking of this some more: - if I were writing that scene, and
- if the purpose of the scene were to establish further that Sharpe is a racist (as opposed to showing May's psychological state), and
- if I were not allowed to use a stronger word (such as one starting with G or with Ch),
then I would probably have Sharpe call May "Japanese." That would be offensive to someone of Chinese descent, but should get past Standards and Practices. |
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Skye would have loved that one! 
