Post by ayanami on Oct 25, 2019 20:16:33 GMT
www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/marvel-tv-topper-jeph-loeb-exit-1247867
I guess with the big shift towards TV shows on Disney+ made by Marvel Studios and not Marvel Television, this is a departure that shouldn't surprise.
Gotta say, I'm a bit undecided how I feel about it. On the one hand, it's sad, obviously, because the TV shows created under Jeph Loeb have given us countless hours of MCU adventures, soooo much more than the movie side ever could deliver. Then again, the only Marvel shows I really care about atm, Agents of Shield and Daredevil are cancelled anyway, with no news regarding the futures of any involved characters, so there's no direct impact there. And, if this means that they'll eventually wrap all the existing and future Marvel shows under the banner of Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige's leadership, all the better! I mean, I hope they'll keep giving "smaller" heroes and original characters set in the MCU - like AoS - a chance and not just focus on the big league, like they're doing with the already announced Disney+ shows, but at least going forward, it really will be ALL CONNECTED!
Seriously, after defending the continuously decreasing connections of AoS to the greater MCU for five years, only to watch the show devolve into fanfiction territory*, I'm sick of it! Screw "oh, but different studios" or "how could they possibly schedule that?" or even "yeah, but there are different audiences"! It's been ten years. People are either on board with the MCU, or they're not. Give me a world that's really all connected and not one where we're just supposed to pretend as if the Avengers never found out about Coulson being alive. Or where the Inhumans outbreak is either a world changing event or nobody even noticed. It worked for the Netflix heroes playing in their little New York sandbox, but once you start dealing with stuff that is clearly an Avengers level threat, things start to get silly.
Also, as the article rightfully states, the production from Marvel Television have often times been hit or miss. Mostly miss, really. As far as I - as a HUGE AoS fan - am concerned, the only really really great Marvel TV show is Daredevil. Followed maybe by Jessica Jones, if I wouldn't find Jess' attitude so tiring after a while. And even in these two cases the second seasons left much to be desired. As far as AoS is concerned, it was a good show that might have started a bit cheesy, but grew up very quickly to become one of the greatest things I've ever seen on TV in its late first and most of the second season. Then, however, the writing quality really plummeted, and great plotlines became riddled with nonsensical decisions, wasted characters and plotholes so big you could hide the Zephyr in them! So, looking at the show as a whole, I would say it isn't even in the same ballpark as "great" anymore.
Then of course there are Iron Fist, Luke Cage, The Defenders, Cloak and Dagger, Agent Carter (was that one really more successful than AoS?? Mary Sue, thy name is Peggy!) and the infamous Inhumans. None of those ever even glanced at "great".
So, tldr; if Jeph Loed quitting and Kevin Feige holding the reigns means a more connected universe and a more consistendly good quality of shows, I'm all for it! I just hope they'll be room in the future for some already established heroes like a couple of Shield agents, or a New York vigilante or two.
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I guess with the big shift towards TV shows on Disney+ made by Marvel Studios and not Marvel Television, this is a departure that shouldn't surprise.
Gotta say, I'm a bit undecided how I feel about it. On the one hand, it's sad, obviously, because the TV shows created under Jeph Loeb have given us countless hours of MCU adventures, soooo much more than the movie side ever could deliver. Then again, the only Marvel shows I really care about atm, Agents of Shield and Daredevil are cancelled anyway, with no news regarding the futures of any involved characters, so there's no direct impact there. And, if this means that they'll eventually wrap all the existing and future Marvel shows under the banner of Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige's leadership, all the better! I mean, I hope they'll keep giving "smaller" heroes and original characters set in the MCU - like AoS - a chance and not just focus on the big league, like they're doing with the already announced Disney+ shows, but at least going forward, it really will be ALL CONNECTED!
Seriously, after defending the continuously decreasing connections of AoS to the greater MCU for five years, only to watch the show devolve into fanfiction territory*, I'm sick of it! Screw "oh, but different studios" or "how could they possibly schedule that?" or even "yeah, but there are different audiences"! It's been ten years. People are either on board with the MCU, or they're not. Give me a world that's really all connected and not one where we're just supposed to pretend as if the Avengers never found out about Coulson being alive. Or where the Inhumans outbreak is either a world changing event or nobody even noticed. It worked for the Netflix heroes playing in their little New York sandbox, but once you start dealing with stuff that is clearly an Avengers level threat, things start to get silly.
Also, as the article rightfully states, the production from Marvel Television have often times been hit or miss. Mostly miss, really. As far as I - as a HUGE AoS fan - am concerned, the only really really great Marvel TV show is Daredevil. Followed maybe by Jessica Jones, if I wouldn't find Jess' attitude so tiring after a while. And even in these two cases the second seasons left much to be desired. As far as AoS is concerned, it was a good show that might have started a bit cheesy, but grew up very quickly to become one of the greatest things I've ever seen on TV in its late first and most of the second season. Then, however, the writing quality really plummeted, and great plotlines became riddled with nonsensical decisions, wasted characters and plotholes so big you could hide the Zephyr in them! So, looking at the show as a whole, I would say it isn't even in the same ballpark as "great" anymore.
Then of course there are Iron Fist, Luke Cage, The Defenders, Cloak and Dagger, Agent Carter (was that one really more successful than AoS?? Mary Sue, thy name is Peggy!) and the infamous Inhumans. None of those ever even glanced at "great".
So, tldr; if Jeph Loed quitting and Kevin Feige holding the reigns means a more connected universe and a more consistendly good quality of shows, I'm all for it! I just hope they'll be room in the future for some already established heroes like a couple of Shield agents, or a New York vigilante or two.
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Yeah, sure, it's not really fanfiction territory. The show is simply set in a version of Earth within the multiverse where Thanos did attack New York, but then nothing happened and nobody ever mentioned it again. Makes sense. Not. 
I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 