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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jul 16, 2019 4:57:21 GMT
Damn it, Davis had better not be dead! I'm really hoping for an I take you over then you forget what happens scenario rather than an I kill you and take on your appearance scenario. I'm also a little miffed that Jaco's sacrifice was somewhat devalued. I hope the fact she doesn't have a ship plays a large part in Itel's eventual defeat. I don't think he's dead. Piper isn't an idiot, she would have noticed if Davis wasn't breathing. I just think he's been taken over by Izel in some fashion. There was a moment when he could have been (when he and Jaco separate on the ship's bridge) but we were led to believe that once you've been Shrike-ized by Izel, you can no longer speak. |
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Post by polgara on Jul 16, 2019 5:09:29 GMT
Damn it, Davis had better not be dead! I'm really hoping for an I take you over then you forget what happens scenario rather than an I kill you and take on your appearance scenario. I'm also a little miffed that Jaco's sacrifice was somewhat devalued. I hope the fact she doesn't have a ship plays a large part in Itel's eventual defeat. I don't think he's dead. Piper isn't an idiot, she would have noticed if Davis wasn't breathing. I just think he's been taken over by Izel in some fashion. There was a moment when he could have been (when he and Jaco separate on the ship's bridge) but we were led to believe that once you've been Shrike-ized by Izel, you can no longer speak. He could be dead if Izel is a shapeshifter and Davis was left on the ship that exploded. I'm hoping that's not the case, but it is a possibility, especially since Piper made that crack about him having another miracle survival. I hope what was shown in the previews for next week with May means that Izel takes over someone's body and then leaves them with no memory of what what there body did. |
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Post by FreeKresge on Jul 16, 2019 5:25:37 GMT
No, I have no doubt Clark Gregg will remain in the cast. In fact, I've been using that as a reason for certain fans to calm down and stop worrying that his face will cease to be on the show. Unless you're "Grey's Anatomy" and pissed at your male lead, you don't just off the first (male) name in your credits. Clark will be on the show in one form or another, I know that, my problem is what that action means for *May*. As I and Polgara have noted, based on what we saw in the episode, there are two possibilities for what Izel did to Davis. If Izel possesses individuals, then it is possible that it was not May who shot Sarge. Instead, it would have been Izel silencing Sarge as he may be the only character who knows that Izel can possess people. If so, it is possible that May will take the blame until the team figures this out. This would raise the issue of why Snowflake is imprisoned and not May. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jul 16, 2019 7:07:31 GMT
No, I have no doubt Clark Gregg will remain in the cast. In fact, I've been using that as a reason for certain fans to calm down and stop worrying that his face will cease to be on the show. Unless you're "Grey's Anatomy" and pissed at your male lead, you don't just off the first (male) name in your credits. Clark will be on the show in one form or another, I know that, my problem is what that action means for *May*. As I and Polgara have noted, based on what we saw in the episode, there are two possibilities for what Izel did to Davis. If Izel possesses individuals, then it is possible that it was not May who shot Sarge. Instead, it would have been Izel silencing Sarge as he may be the only character who knows that Izel can possess people. If so, it is possible that May will take the blame until the team figures this out. This would raise the issue of why Snowflake is imprisoned and not May. According to the preview, May is locked up at least in the beginning. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 16, 2019 8:29:34 GMT
Izel speculated that earth may be more hostile than she thought. Exactly how friendly is the typical planet toward being infested with shrikes? The exact quote was, "Either Earth is more hostile than I thought, or he's (Sarge) already here." I doubt she would have considered Earth hostile if it wasn't for Sarge. (At least initially.) SHIELD (and others) probably wouldn't even be aware anything was happening until her ship entered the atmosphere. Considering the info they had said that Izel was a powerful monster, I'm sure Mack didn't want to deal with her yet. Remember they launched from the Zephyr as an impromptu mission. They didn't even know there was a spaceship, nor FitzSimmons was aboard until they were in the mission to follow Sarge, so they probably didn't even think to bring the resources for a mission against Izel.) Details, details.  I would have assumed he would have asked Simmons who's the Director after knowing Coulson died, but there was nothing in their shared memories in Inescapable to indicate who Deke was. I noticed Fitz Prime (I don't know what to call these guys anymore) isn't anywhere close to being annoyed like Fitz Future. Fitz Prime is more bemused by Deke than annoyed. Well, currently. That could always change. What are the odds that other person Sarge became would be someone FitzSimmons would know? How many people are there in the known galaxy? The odds are probably as long as say, finding a couple of Terrans on a backwater planet named Kitson. Oh, wait...  |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 16, 2019 9:05:58 GMT
FIRETRUCK THIS EPISODE AND ITS FIRETRUCKING TAG SCENE. I can see Clark Gregg skipping an episode, but I would be very surprised if nothing happens over the next four episodes that would justify Gregg getting top billing. I gots me a theory. Killing Sarge's body is what allows Sarge to "remember" his past. Whether that's a good or bad thing... Well, it's probably a bad thing. (Now earlier this season Deke put an award (or something) all the way through Sarge's hand to prove he's not Coulson, but Sarge in subsequent eps doesn't seem to have any hand problems. Maybe he's got extraordinary healing properties. Well, maybe not with that headshot, but...) That's why I've been using the term "duplicate". If Coulson was duplicated at some point and time in his life, he might have come with memories intact when created. (Assuming his brain was an exact duplicate.) Those memories were subsequently removed, but some residual remains...
Ah, speculation.  Calm before the storm. This ep sorta felt like it was the end of an arc. It tidied up (sorta) everyone's motives and adjendas. Well, except for the last 15 seconds. Now comes the part where everyone has to deal with what they know. And yes, 4 eps is actually 1/3rd of this season. Much can happen. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 16, 2019 9:11:34 GMT
Damn it, Davis had better not be dead! I'm really hoping for an I take you over then you forget what happens scenario rather than an I kill you and take on your appearance scenario. I'm also a little miffed that Jaco's sacrifice was somewhat devalued. I hope the fact she doesn't have a ship plays a large part in Itel's eventual defeat. Well, as I said, this may have been the end of an "arc" (Ep 9 marks the first two-thirds of the season), so we may see the show take a completely different turn. (Like coming back from the future to save the Earth...)
There's a huge flippin' spoiler in the preview. I may start a thread... |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 16, 2019 9:22:01 GMT
I don't think he's dead. Piper isn't an idiot, she would have noticed if Davis wasn't breathing. I just think he's been taken over by Izel in some fashion. There was a moment when he could have been (when he and Jaco separate on the ship's bridge) but we were led to believe that once you've been Shrike-ized by Izel, you can no longer speak. He could be dead if Izel is a shapeshifter and Davis was left on the ship that exploded. I'm hoping that's not the case, but it is a possibility, especially since Piper made that crack about him having another miracle survival. I hope what was shown in the previews for next week with May means that Izel takes over someone's body and then leaves them with no memory of what what there body did. "Davis" and Jaco leave the same way Davis came in, so if Izel killed Davis (or even Shrike'd him), the body would still be there. (We're only talking a few seconds, there's be no time to hide a body.)
If you look at the scene again, Davis isn't really looking around, nor does he have his weapon ready. I'm betting at that point it's Izel in Davis.
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Post by haxemon on Jul 16, 2019 12:57:41 GMT
Damn it, Davis had better not be dead! I'm really hoping for an I take you over then you forget what happens scenario rather than an I kill you and take on your appearance scenario. I'm also a little miffed that Jaco's sacrifice was somewhat devalued. I hope the fact she doesn't have a ship plays a large part in Itel's eventual defeat. I think Izel and whatever is "inside" Coulson are of the same species. Only the Sarge one doesn't know it. So Izel was in Davis, then moved to May. Whatever is inside Sarge may come out or something after the body it's in got shot or maybe not. |
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Post by beren44 on Jul 16, 2019 14:38:21 GMT
Damn it, Davis had better not be dead! I'm really hoping for an I take you over then you forget what happens scenario rather than an I kill you and take on your appearance scenario. I'm also a little miffed that Jaco's sacrifice was somewhat devalued. I hope the fact she doesn't have a ship plays a large part in Itel's eventual defeat. Well, as I said, this may have been the end of an "arc" (Ep 9 marks the first two-thirds of the season), so we may see the show take a completely different turn. (Like coming back from the future to save the Earth...)
There's a huge flippin' spoiler in the preview. I may start a thread... To polgara : I agree about Jaco's sacrifice. He did a good thing. He also said, he would become a butterfly. Now there is a visual that my brain just can't wrap around . I mean, being the runt of the litter and all, he can't turn into a Monarch..
To backroadjunkie : End of an arc??? Bensen hasn't even made it back to the team yet. This ain't over!
I am really curious about the Biblical aspects of the Chronicom's names. This can't be coincidence. What have they got up their sleeves..or in their hats...
Lastly, I am really, really hoping for a return of Dr. Winslow at some point before the show ends. At least Kyle is still alive. I often wonder how they have had to modify the original long term arcs of characters due to real-world deaths of the actors involved. 3 at least. But he has been referenced twice now, since the end of season 2.
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I would have assumed he would have asked Simmons who's the Director after knowing Coulson died, but there was nothing in their shared memories in Inescapable to indicate who Deke was.
