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Post by DoTheMath on Dec 16, 2018 23:58:00 GMT
So I peeked in a couple of times on the Rewatch Live Chat on Dec 16, 2018 wherein Jemma Simmons and ayanami were each expressing their love for our favorite show. Our Director showed some serious emotion during this particular episode....... Quoted from their chat: "Jemma Simmons: ... hi jerk Gonzalez. "None of us wanted this" *cough*bullsh*t!*cough*bullsh*t!*" "Jemma Simmons: Oh F right the hell off, Gonzales." Jemma Simmons, you know I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I'm surprised at such language . You came close to getting caught up in your own filters; and....... a typo in the wrong place could have forced you to use your Ban Hammer on yourself. Yall seem to have really enjoyed that one....
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Dec 17, 2018 1:13:10 GMT
So I peeked in a couple of times on the Rewatch Live Chat on Dec 16, 2018 wherein Jemma Simmons and ayanami were each expressing their love for our favorite show. Our Director showed some serious emotion during this particular episode....... Quoted from their chat: "Jemma Simmons: ... hi jerk Gonzalez. "None of us wanted this" *cough*bullsh*t!*cough*bullsh*t!*" "Jemma Simmons: Oh F right the hell off, Gonzales." Jemma Simmons, you know I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I'm surprised at such language . You came close to getting caught up in your own filters; and....... a typo in the wrong place could have forced you to use your Ban Hammer on yourself. Yall seem to have really enjoyed that one.... I was VERY careful not to trip up one of the filters! π And to quote Mel Brooks, βItβs good to be the king (or queen!)β -adjusts tiara ππ
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Post by Black Widow on Jan 4, 2019 19:11:58 GMT
LOL If you're talking about "The Real SHIELD" director, then I don't blame Jemma. He was a douche.
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Jan 4, 2019 20:01:11 GMT
LOL If you're talking about "The Real SHIELD" director, then I don't blame Jemma. He was a douche. Yes, and YES HE WAS!!! π
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jan 7, 2019 22:06:40 GMT
I'm half and half on him. Sometimes I like him. Sometimes I think he's a self righteous bastard with control issues.
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Post by Black Widow on Jan 10, 2019 15:25:32 GMT
I'm half and half on him. Sometimes I like him. Sometimes I think he's a self righteous bastard with control issues. Yeah, his heart was in the right place. But he was as you said, as self-righteous bastard with control issues. His actions could have driven Daisy out of S.H.I.E.L.D. and he was seriously undermining Phil's well-earned authority.
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Post by ayanami on Jan 10, 2019 15:46:26 GMT
I'm half and half on him. Sometimes I like him. Sometimes I think he's a self righteous bastard with control issues. Yeah, his heart was in the right place. But he was as you said, as self-righteous bastard with control issues. His actions could have driven Daisy out of S.H.I.E.L.D. and he was seriously undermining Phil's well-earned authority. Also, he had a very ugly attitude towards people with powers. No matter their actions or motives, he continuously used words like "monsters", "freaks" or "things" to talk about Skye and other powered people. I don't think someone like that should be in charge of anything, let alone an organisation as important as Shield.
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Post by Black Widow on Jan 16, 2019 17:54:28 GMT
Yeah, his heart was in the right place. But he was as you said, as self-righteous bastard with control issues. His actions could have driven Daisy out of S.H.I.E.L.D. and he was seriously undermining Phil's well-earned authority. Also, he had a very ugly attitude towards people with powers. No matter their actions or motives, he continuously used words like "monsters", "freaks" or "things" to talk about Skye and other powered people. I don't think someone like that should be in charge of anything, let alone an organisation as important as Shield. His descriptions of Inhumans is one of the reasons why I could not stand Gonzalez. And you're right. Good intentions and motives are not good enough excuses. I never did say myself they were excuses. He still had no right to say what he said about inhumans or undermine Phil's authority. Phil's reaction I guess proved that he is a good leader because despites all he did and despite the fact he didn't deserve it, Phil compromised with him. But yeah, he shouldn't be in charge of anything and ultimately, I am glad he wasn't.
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Post by ayanami on Jan 16, 2019 20:49:01 GMT
Also, he had a very ugly attitude towards people with powers. No matter their actions or motives, he continuously used words like "monsters", "freaks" or "things" to talk about Skye and other powered people. I don't think someone like that should be in charge of anything, let alone an organisation as important as Shield. His descriptions of Inhumans is one of the reasons why I could not stand Gonzalez. And you're right. Good intentions and motives are not good enough excuses. I never did say myself they were excuses. He still had no right to say what he said about inhumans or undermine Phil's authority. Phil's reaction I guess proved that he is a good leader because despites all he did and despite the fact he didn't deserve it, Phil compromised with him. But yeah, he shouldn't be in charge of anything and ultimately, I am glad he wasn't. I meant the actions and motives of the powered people Gonzales was talking about, not his. For example, Skye had every right to defend herself when Agent Calderon (who had a real gun) and his team came after her, yet Gonzales called her a "thing", thereby painting Skye as some monstrous adversary and not a young woman acting in fear for her life.
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Post by FreeKresge on Jan 17, 2019 21:46:24 GMT
Like everyone here, I am not a fan of Gonzalez's views on Inhumans. I also do not like his hypocrisy. He complained about Coulson's secrets while leading a secret organization, and he viewed Coulson as a usurper when Gonzalez was no more legitimate. However, he did some things right.
First, his coup was very well done. He was able to take control of the Playground without any loss of life on either side, and he even managed to bring May into his fold. His only problems were being unable to secure Coulson and letting Fitz slip away with Fury's MacGuffin. I have a hard time faulting Gonzalez for the latter. He was outsmarted, but he was outsmarted by Simmons and Fitz. There is no shame in that. Furthermore, Coulson did eventually come back and gave Gonzalez access to the MacGuffin.
Second, and on a related note, Simmons and Fitz spent much of that season estranged, although the degree of estrangement varied depending on who wrote the episode in question. Gonzalez gets a lot of credit for helping them get past their differences and again working as if they were psychically linked.
Finally, Gonzalez had a point when he questioned Coulson's legitimacy as Director. There is some inconsistency over who oversees S.H.I.E.L.D. The films suggested that it was the United Nations or a United Nations-like organization (The World Council). The show suggests that S.H.I.E.L.D. is part of the United States government, although S.H.I.E.L.D. still seems to have some international authority as well, and the show acknowledged the existence of a World Council. In any case, S.H.I.E.L.D. is not a completely autonomous organization accountable to nobody. Fury might suggest a preferred successor, but he would have no right simply to hand over power to that successor. While Gonzalez had no legitimate claim to power for himself, he was right that Coulson did not either. This is like when Coulson passed power to Daisy in the fifth season. Simmons, Elena, and Fitz respected that transition about as well as Gonzalez respected the transition from Fury to Coulson. S.H.I.E.L.D. is not a personal possession and should not be passed around as if it were.
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