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Post by nillindeiel on Jul 20, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
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Post by ayanami on Jul 20, 2018 21:12:02 GMT
Holy shi...!
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Post by polgara on Jul 20, 2018 22:30:00 GMT
There's a reason why the first four letters of Twitter is twit. If you don't have a good filter you really ought to stay off of it, because sooner or later someone you make mad is going to find the worst of what you have written and put it out for all to see.
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Post by ayanami on Jul 20, 2018 22:39:20 GMT
There's a reason why the first four letters of Twitter is twit. If you don't have a good filter you really ought to stay off of it, because sooner or later someone you make mad is going to find the worst of what you have written and put it out for all to see. Well, to be fair, if you post something on Twitter, you're the one putting it out for all to see. Just going by the few quotes from the article, the stuff he wrote was actually pretty horrific, but I do believe his assertions that he only said it at the time to be provocative on purpose. And, even more importantly, that he regrets it and that he's not that person anymore.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 21, 2018 17:26:38 GMT
As they say, Nothing last forever, unless you post it to the internet... I can't believe people still don't realize that. Did he hope it would remain a secret?
You would think the job of an agent these days would be to track down and eliminate really dumb stuff posted to the 'net by their clients. Gunn went from brilliant creator to a hollywood pariah in a single day. I wonder if he thinks it was worth the shock value when he posted it.
I had a plan in place 25 years ago. Anything really inflammatory that I posted, wasn't done under my real name. As a matter of fact, after a little stalker incident, I don't post anything under my real name.
I don't try to hide who I am, but it's much more difficult to track me down if you don't know who you're looking for...
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Post by polgara on Jul 21, 2018 21:28:13 GMT
There's a reason why the first four letters of Twitter is twit. If you don't have a good filter you really ought to stay off of it, because sooner or later someone you make mad is going to find the worst of what you have written and put it out for all to see. Well, to be fair, if you post something on Twitter, you're the one putting it out for all to see. Just going by the few quotes from the article, the stuff he wrote was actually pretty horrific, but I do believe his assertions that he only said it at the time to be provocative on purpose. And, even more importantly, that he regrets it and that he's not that person anymore. I hope he does regret it, but in today's world that's not enough for some people, and when you make enemies they're gonna come for you. I wish that was something I could get my students to understand. If you put it out there it will be found.
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Jul 22, 2018 15:10:01 GMT
Well, to be fair, if you post something on Twitter, you're the one putting it out for all to see. Just going by the few quotes from the article, the stuff he wrote was actually pretty horrific, but I do believe his assertions that he only said it at the time to be provocative on purpose. And, even more importantly, that he regrets it and that he's not that person anymore. I hope he does regret it, but in today's world that's not enough for some people, and when you make enemies they're gonna come for you. I wish that was something I could get my students to understand. If you put it out there it will be found. This. That's the thing about having social media ever-present. It's not that people act any differently than they did. The issue is now that everyone posts to social media, and that stuff never goes away. People are going to do stupid things, but now it's preserved for posterity.
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Post by ayanami on Jul 22, 2018 18:12:10 GMT
Yeah, that's true. People always did stupid stuff, but now too many feel the need to post everything online, so it's all kept around forever.
But, tbh, this particular case continues to baffle me the more I read about it. I mean, it's one thing to make a few dark jokes to provoke people, but the things James Gunn posted crossed the line so much, that it vanished somewhere far far away in the distance. And what's floating around online right now is apparently only the tip of the iceberg. Seems like he already deleted thousands of related tweets. Honestly, what has to be wrong with a guy that he makes thousands of tweets, making light of rape and paedophilia?!?
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Post by Black Widow on Jul 22, 2018 20:20:50 GMT
There are two rules celebrities must follow; never post nude images online and never post anything offensive online. And what James posted was beyond offensive. It was low and dirty. Yes, I liked the first two Guardians films and I'll watch them again, but what had been done to him as a result of the tweets coming to light is what needed to be done. Like they did with Rosanne Barr, an example had to be made.
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Post by polgara on Jul 22, 2018 20:22:07 GMT
Yeah, that's true. People always did stupid stuff, but now too many feel the need to post everything online, so it's all kept around forever. But, tbh, this particular case continues to baffle me the more I read about it. I mean, it's one thing to make a few dark jokes to provoke people, but the things James Gunn posted crossed the line so much, that it vanished somewhere far far away in the distance. And what's floating around online right now is apparently only the tip of the iceberg. Seems like he already deleted thousands of related tweets. Honestly, what has to be wrong with a guy that he makes thousands of tweets, making light of rape and paedophilia?!? I didn't realize that, but the guy who outed him is just as awful. Mike Cernovich is a misogynist who says there is no such thing as date rape. The trash he spews is every bit as bad as Gunn's tweets that I saw.
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Post by nillindeiel on Jul 23, 2018 13:11:59 GMT
As they say, Nothing last forever, unless you post it to the internet... I can't believe people still don't realize that. Did he hope it would remain a secret? You would think the job of an agent these days would be to track down and eliminate really dumb stuff posted to the 'net by their clients. Gunn went from brilliant creator to a hollywood pariah in a single day. I wonder if he thinks it was worth the shock value when he posted it.
I had a plan in place 25 years ago. Anything really inflammatory that I posted, wasn't done under my real name. As a matter of fact, after a little stalker incident, I don't post anything under my real name. I don't try to hide who I am, but it's much more difficult to track me down if you don't know who you're looking for...
Regarding the bold, given how much he tweets (tweeted), my guess is probably not so much that he thought/hoped it would remain a secret, but more that he just plain forgot about it/forgot they were there. Yeah, that's true. People always did stupid stuff, but now too many feel the need to post everything online, so it's all kept around forever. But, tbh, this particular case continues to baffle me the more I read about it. I mean, it's one thing to make a few dark jokes to provoke people, but the things James Gunn posted crossed the line so much, that it vanished somewhere far far away in the distance. And what's floating around online right now is apparently only the tip of the iceberg. Seems like he already deleted thousands of related tweets. Honestly, what has to be wrong with a guy that he makes thousands of tweets, making light of rape and paedophilia?!? From what I can tell, the tweets he deleted were not necessarily *just* the "joke" tweets (meaning, he did not make thousands of those so called 'jokes'). I think he went ahead and just deleted his tweets from a certain time range (regardless of what the tweets were about). Doing just an overall time frame was probably easier than picking through (and potentially missing some tweets that should be deleted). I remain conflicted on this whole situation. I mean, the tweets were indeed terrible/horrible should never have been made or 'joked' about. However, at the same time, I doubt that Disney/Marvel was ignorant of his style of humor when they hired him (I seem to recall an article on him shortly before he was hired for GotG that brought up some of his more off color/controversial 'humor' - I could be wrong, about that however). People try to compare this to the Rosanne situation, but Rosanne was actively employed by Disney/ABC *at the time* that she made her terrible remarks (and she continues to make them). For James, this was 10 years ago, before being hired for GotG and - since being hired by Disney - he hasn't repeated those types of jokes, and he does appear to have changed. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe there's something we don't know about... maybe when Disney/Marvel talked to him about this after that Trump supporting misogynistic Cernovich asshole dug up the tweets, maybe Gunn didn't comport himself well enough - or something else was revealed that couldn't be resolved. Unfortunately what's done is done - and the MCU will move forward without him. I just hope that whoever they do find to replace him tries to keep the same 'vibe' of the previous GotG films and doesn't try to take it in a completely different direction that jars/doesn't have the same feel as the films that came before. I also hope they don't completely throw out Gunn's script/ideas. Those are my thoughts for now (after having the weekend to contemplate it)
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 23, 2018 15:07:46 GMT
I remain conflicted on this whole situation. I mean, the tweets were indeed terrible/horrible should never have been made or 'joked' about. However, at the same time, I doubt that Disney/Marvel was ignorant of his style of humor when they hired him (I seem to recall an article on him shortly before he was hired for GotG that brought up some of his more off color/controversial 'humor' - I could be wrong, about that however). People try to compare this to the Rosanne situation, but Rosanne was actively employed by Disney/ABC *at the time* that she made her terrible remarks (and she continues to make them). Note I'm not trying to defend Gunn here, since any defense of someone so accused is almost akin to being guilty as well in today's hostile climate. I may live in a glass house, but I do make sure there are no stones to throw... It pretty much is the same as Barr. It is the comedy mindset from 20 years ago. Should anyone ever get the chance, see if you can find some tapes of some of the famous comedians from their say, Vegas shows. (Nothing from Hollywood, since the Hays code mostly took care of that.) Buddy Hackett, Red Buttons, Bill Cosby, Bob Newhart, Richard Pryor... Even more modern comedians like Bob Saget, Eddie Murphy and Jerry Seinfeld (who admits that comedy, as he (and I) knew it, is dead). They were incredibly insulting, filthy, and would have those audiences rolling on the floor with laughter. Something that would never fly in today's PC world. Then, it made someone's eyes roll. Now, it's a hashtag. Realize Gunn comes from the very low-budget horror world, where rape is a frequent trope, almost a joke in that genre. Just about anything shocking was fair game. And no one took pedophilia seriously then. Witness how Roman Polanski and Woody Allen were (and may still be) praised by the Hollywood elite. It's only within the last decade that the politically incorrect are being called out for it. All-in-all, I find much of this laughable. For years, you heard stories of actresses going to bed with a producer for a part, and people are shocked to find a Harvey Weinstein exists? Really? Off color jokes or racist humor is insulting? This is a revelation? I think the most disturbing aspect of all of this, is that anyone accused stands guilty, with no due-process. Just an accusation can ruin a life, and there are plenty of bitter people who are willing to accuse without substantial (or any) proof. And it's extending faaaaar beyond Hollywood. That's what's getting frighting.
Sorry, I got on that damn soapbox again...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jul 23, 2018 17:13:16 GMT
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jul 23, 2018 23:11:23 GMT
Yeah, that's true. People always did stupid stuff, but now too many feel the need to post everything online, so it's all kept around forever. But, tbh, this particular case continues to baffle me the more I read about it. I mean, it's one thing to make a few dark jokes to provoke people, but the things James Gunn posted crossed the line so much, that it vanished somewhere far far away in the distance. And what's floating around online right now is apparently only the tip of the iceberg. Seems like he already deleted thousands of related tweets. Honestly, what has to be wrong with a guy that he makes thousands of tweets, making light of rape and paedophilia?!? I didn't go and read what he said, but I bet the ones who are going after him are the same ones who gave the standing ovation to Roman Polanski.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Aug 16, 2018 17:37:48 GMT
Maybe it's because I don't like the GOTG movies that much (they just don't entertain me) but I've realized I have no opinion on this matter.
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