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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jun 5, 2018 18:10:04 GMT
Apparently, my brain has decided that one obsession isn't enough so now I am obsessed with "House, M.D." at the same time as AoS.
Which, naturally, means I have noticed A LOT of similarities between House and Coulson and I don't just mean they are white guys who are good at their jobs and in their early to mid 50s.
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Post by aquaangel on Jun 5, 2018 19:49:56 GMT
House was generally grumpy and often mean even to his friends (rarely was his sweet from my recollection). He was arrogant and cynical. Coulson is generally sweet and nowhere near as cynical. I mean, yeah he wasn't nice to enemies ::cough:: Ward ::cough::, but generally he is sweet. I don't understand what similarities you could be seeing. It has been a while since I have seen House though. Please explain what the similarities are between the two because I am drawing a blank.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jun 5, 2018 22:29:36 GMT
House was generally grumpy and often mean even to his friends (rarely was his sweet from my recollection). He was arrogant and cynical. Coulson is generally sweet and nowhere near as cynical. I mean, yeah he wasn't nice to enemies ::cough:: Ward ::cough::, but generally he is sweet. I don't understand what similarities you could be seeing. It has been a while since I have seen House though. Please explain what the similarities are between the two because I am drawing a blank.
I'm only saying that I have noticed similarities in them. They both:
* Need a Team.
This is the most evident in House but we see it in Coulson too, in the "Six months later" flash forward in 'Absolution' and in the early episodes of season 4. At that time, we saw Coulson, like House, extremely obsessive (Coulson was extremely obsessed with finding Daisy at that time), restless, and reckless away from his team. In fact, Coulson was sooo obsessed with finding Daisy that he went behind Mace's back after he and Mack were pulled from that mission. House spent more time without a team in the long run but when he was without a team, his obsession was always solving the case of his patient, and he'd go about trying to do that to the point he put his patients in danger. which leads to the second way they both need a team; their teams keep them in check and act as a counter balance to them and their decisions. House's team always had to stop House from prescribing treatments that would harm the patient or tests that would too. Coulson's team (Mack esp.) often has to get Coulson to focus on more than just his obsessive focus. For instance, members of the team voicing concerns over Coulson getting 'close' with Rosalind or being too focused on alien stuff in season 2.
* Serve as a Mentor (for better or for worse)
They both 'teach' their team and train their team and mold their team to fit what they want it to be. While this is a good thing most of the time, it has had bad effects on members' of their team.
* Are In Constant Pain
This one is more straight forward but I do count it even though I am not counting the obvious similarities. Coulson has said that he always feels phantom pain (he told Rosalind that) and LMD Coulson also mentioned it so there is no reason to think that Coulson has times where he does NOT suffer that pain.
* Have Authority Issues
I've been down the road of Coulson's authority issues many times here before so I won't go deep into it and I won't go down that road with House at all because it's obvious. Coulson is used to being in charge and making the decisions. Unlike House, he does have respect for authority, but only until a decision or action by that authority (Mace) directly contradicts Coulson's wants or needs. At that point, Coulson will go out of his way to circumvent authority or purposely leave authority out. My example above with his Daisy obsession shows this, but so does Coulson purposely leaving Mace out of his and Mack's dealings with Robbie. Also, there's Coulson willfully ignoring Grill's authority, and letting his team do so, even though Grill could literally murder them with the push of a button, which yes, is not the same as any issue House had, but it still shows that Coulson doesn't give a crap so much. Oh and there's the authority issues from season one when he was intentionally hiding stuff from SHIELD (with reasons, GOOD REASON, but still, it matters).
*Are Stubborn Bastards
House refused to let his leg be amputated and lives in constant pain because of it.
Coulson refused to be treated and died (or is dying I can't have this conversation again, ever).
Also, both will be in major need of medical attention and will insist on working anyway. House, after that bus wreck esp, and Coulson after his leg was 'broken' (or Clark's leg was hurt so Coulson's had to be too) and after he insisted on going in the Kree city after being pummeled by Cal.
They are also stubborn enough to resist changing their minds. House is a classic case for this. Coulson will change his mind for operations and missions and team business but not so much when it's personal. He did not change his mind about not being cured as mentioned above, but he also did not change his mind when it came to his order for May to shoot him if he "went the way of Garrett".
*Takes Risks or Makes Decsions, Often With Team's Disproval
This is covered above in the Team category somewhat, but both have had numerous times when their decision or risk were resisted by their team. In that light, the decision or risk made or taken is often worth it for Coulson and House, and proves them right, but at the same time, each have had times when the decision or risk caused casualties or dire circumstances, because when both fail, they fail HARD.
*Care About People Innately
This is more obvious in Coulson because almost every action he takes is for the safety of humanity in some way. I mean, all of his rants are about protecting mankind.
House says he does not care about people, but he does, or there is no reason he became a doctor when he could have been a millionaire drug addicted musician that has to answer to no one about anything.
*Are Often In Conflict With Coworkers
House gets into arguments with his underlings (and his boss and Wilson) at least once an episode. Coulson conflicted with certain co-workers more than others and normally only a few episodes a season. With Coulson, it is usually Mack (almost always him in fact...) or May but he has had spats with everybody at least once for a variety of reasons, even Daisy.
House and Coulson both thrive on these conflicts and seek them out, although Coulson does not go out of his to instigate them like House, he merely seeks them by welcoming his team to call them out to his face even if he already anticipated them.
These conflicts do tend to stem from authority and trust issues as well for both of them.
*Have Had Suicidal Tendencies
On this one I will admit that these feature in each man for completely different reasons. House's suicidal tendencies were for selfish and dumb reasons. This is the guy who stuck a pocket knife in a wall socket to prove to another guy that nothing happens to you after death, after all.
Coulson willingly put his life in danger to save others many times. (I will not debate whether he was being suicidal by refusing a cure. NOT GOING THERE RIGHT NOW).
*Have a History of Dying
Eh, pretty self explanatory. Both have ceased breathing more times than is remotely normal for a human being.
*Are In Love With Friend and Colleague of Many Years
I almost didn't want to put this, but I decided it counts, even if it is a TV trope to have a 'will they/won't they' type relationship with ostensibly the lead. While House and Cuddy's relationship is vastly different than Coulson and May's, the relationships are a huge factor in both men's lives and decisions, and have served as the only thing that each cares about at one time or another.
*Have Few Close Friendships and Relationships/Are Lonely
If you take both House and Coulson away from their team, they each have one and only one best friend and one regular friend with caveats. Coulson has May and Talbot (which is just sad now) House has Wilson and Cuddy.
May and Wilson serve as the 'besty' that will be the default companion to their friend.
Cuddy and Talbot are regular friends to their friend and will serve as a secondary companion only in the right circumstances in the right conditions. And even then, the relationship with their friend can be rocky and come with obstacles that can push them away from Coulson and House.
Aside from their two friends, House and Coulson have a wide variety of relationships with their underlings. There are lines Coulson will not cross with his team, while House will cross those lines. In both cases, their team is the only other way each man can seek and find companionship outside of their two friends.
Both men have trouble 'connecting' to other people completely out of their spheres. Coulson will form a congenial relationship with outsiders, but he struggles to completely bond with them (look at his track record with Rosalind). House often refuses too, but that's because he struggles as well. This most evident in Broken.
*Have Trust Issues That Can and Do Affect Their Overall Goals
This idea can go into the friend category, authority issues category, and even the first category but it's important to include because most of their decisions and actions are made based on the amount of trust they put into people.
*Have a Large Collection of Items Relating to Their Interests and Do Not Like Their Stuff Touched
Granted the 'stuff' itself is completely different (except they both have an extensive record collection and share an interest in jazz) each man likes having a tactile and physical assortment of items that they value and are related to their special and narrow interests. House has his musical instruments (guitars esp) and Coulson has his Cap memorabilia. Though both do have a vehicle that they value highly. House had his motorcycle, Coulson of course has LOLA. Both show annoyance and even anger when stuff is misplaced or touched.
* Have a History of Willful Criminal Behavior
I will again admit that they have this in common in spirit only. House will break any law to save his patient (or make his team do it for him) but he will also break laws for his own personal gain (forging prescriptions in Wilson's name for example). Coulson HAS to break laws to do his job. Still, it's important to add this because neither man goes out of their way to NOT break laws in pursuit of their goals.
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All this said, I am not saying they are the same kind of person with the same morals, ethics, wants, needs, and desires. No, they are completely different people. But what I am saying is that, my obsessed brain (^with way too much free time I might add) picked up on ways that they are similar, but only superficially when it comes down to it, because even those similarities are formed from complete opposite ends of the reasons chart.
^So much free time I made a whole legit compare and contrast chart. Would upload it here but I can't get the file to downsize enough.
I just realized...I really do need that second job...TOO MUCH FREE TIME IS BAD.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jun 22, 2018 6:26:25 GMT
IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING!
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I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 