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Post by Black Widow on Apr 27, 2018 8:07:28 GMT
I wonder if all these massive deaths throughout the Earth will be addressed in AoS and the Netflix series.
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Post by aquaangel on Apr 27, 2018 20:21:30 GMT
I too was wondering if we'd see people on AOS disintegrate.
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Post by ayanami on Apr 27, 2018 22:05:39 GMT
Like I said in a thread over on the AoS board, I don't see AoS acknowledging Infinity War for another two weeks, but ultimately, it will be entirely ridiculous if they don't. The biggest event in the MCU (or maybe cinema history even) EVER and Agents of Shield doesn't deal with it?? They would lose all credibility imo.
Although, one could argue that they're not in sync with the movies anymore. The last movie that AoS referenced was Civil War in 2016, but Spider-Man in 2017 already messed with the MCU timeline by stating that the events of the movie took place 8 years after The Avengers. Now, I'm sure we can all agree that the deaths at the end of IW will be reversed. Sure, some people will end up dead permanently in Avengers 4, but all those guys having been disintegrated will come back first. The only two movies scheduled until then are Ant-Man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel. We already know that Captain Marvel will be mostly a prequel of sorts, taking place in the 90s, so they can use whatever characters they want without worrying about IW. My theory is, that Ant-Man will take place prior to Infinity War as well. Seeing as Scott (as well as Clint; cameo much??) took some sort of government deal to lay low, he wasn't on the run anymore with Cap & Co. and had enough time to have some adventures of his own. The movie might end with the events of IW playing out, but I just don't see an upbeat Ant-Man movie working out, when half of the characters recently vanished into dust.
In that regard, the movies can easily avoid dealing with the death of half the world, until Avengers 4 had the chance to dial that back. Agents of Shield on the other hand, especially if the rumours of a renewal are true, doesn't have that luxury. It's a conundrum, really. How can they continue as a weekly show centered firmly in the heart of the MCU without dealing with the fallout of Infinity War? And then again, how can they invest time and character development into an arc that will ultimately be reversed? Plus, we don't even know how much time, if any, is going to pass between IW and Avengers 4, so there's no telling how much ground AoS would have to cover.
Okay, so after this little excursion, I have no bloody idea what my answer is anymore. AoS is simply in a messed up position regarding their dealings with the deaths in IW. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Post by Sam on Apr 28, 2018 4:58:50 GMT
Before I watched Infinity I had a guess that the final episode of this season would have Coulson die from The Snap as a cliffhanger for next season
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Post by ayanami on Apr 28, 2018 18:14:17 GMT
Before I watched Infinity I had a guess that the final episode of this season would have Coulson die from The Snap as a cliffhanger for next season I would be weird if it was just Coulson, though. At least a few more team members would have to go poof as well. Hi, btw!  Don't think I've ever seen you around. |
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Post by haxemon on Apr 28, 2018 20:15:04 GMT
This was one thought (yours) that when I had it led me to the belief that "the snap" will be reversed somehow. Initially after seeing IW I was pretty adamant with my friends that Marvel couldn't have it not be permanent but the more I thought of it they sort of have to reverse it in some way. You can't have half the Defenders and have AoS gone (permanently). And you can't just pretend they all (most) were the lucky ones.
But they have to deal with it. Either fully incorporate it or find some way to make it clear the events of AoS this season are before the snap.
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Post by ayanami on Apr 28, 2018 22:17:18 GMT
Well, now that they already referenced the events in New York in the most recent episode, I don't think they'll be able to avoid the full fallout for much longer.
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Post by aquaangel on Apr 29, 2018 0:30:23 GMT
Did the Avengers find out Phil is alive yet? Cause I heard they were going to, but if not in this one, has to be in the next one, right?
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Post by ayanami on Apr 29, 2018 15:37:30 GMT
Did the Avengers find out Phil is alive yet? Cause I heard they were going to, but if not in this one, has to be in the next one, right? There was nothing in regards to Coulson in Infinity War. I think those rumours started in the first place, because Clark Gregg is confirmed for Captain Marvel, but since that movie will be (mostly) a prequel, I'd put my money on him just appearing as 90's Agent Coulson alongside Fury. Of course, this could be a great lead-in to re-introduce him to the current MCU movies, but that's nothing but speculation at this point. |
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Post by haxemon on Apr 30, 2018 13:43:02 GMT
Did the Avengers find out Phil is alive yet? Cause I heard they were going to, but if not in this one, has to be in the next one, right? There was nothing in regards to Coulson in Infinity War. I think those rumours started in the first place, because Clark Gregg is confirmed for Captain Marvel, but since that movie will be (mostly) a prequel, I'd put my money on him just appearing as 90's Agent Coulson alongside Fury. Of course, this could be a great lead-in to re-introduce him to the current MCU movies, but that's nothing but speculation at this point. Correct - nothing has been said by Marvel or anyone in authority (that I know of). However it does seem plausible that Coulson will be in "both ends" of Captain Marvel since it looks like she'll be coming to the rescue in Avengers 4 in some way. So no guarantees of course, but it could easily work out that Coulson is one of a few people who know who she is or that she knows etc. |
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Post by haxemon on Apr 30, 2018 13:45:39 GMT
Well, now that they already referenced the events in New York in the most recent episode, I don't think they'll be able to avoid the full fallout for much longer. Yup. I hadn't seen Friday's episode yet but thought the same thing when watching it over the weekend. The events of IW take a few days I think, though they could make it about a week or so between when Stark et al. go off planet and "the snap". So it seems likely that this season we'll see "the snap" on AoS. The Netflix shows may not have to deal with it directly as they could have seasons take place before IW or after A4 (where I assume "the snap" will be undone). But AoS will undoubtedly deal with it. |
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Post by aquaangel on Apr 30, 2018 17:16:36 GMT
There was nothing in regards to Coulson in Infinity War. I think those rumours started in the first place, because Clark Gregg is confirmed for Captain Marvel, but since that movie will be (mostly) a prequel, I'd put my money on him just appearing as 90's Agent Coulson alongside Fury. Of course, this could be a great lead-in to re-introduce him to the current MCU movies, but that's nothing but speculation at this point. Correct - nothing has been said by Marvel or anyone in authority (that I know of). However it does seem plausible that Coulson will be in "both ends" of Captain Marvel since it looks like she'll be coming to the rescue in Avengers 4 in some way. So no guarantees of course, but it could easily work out that Coulson is one of a few people who know who she is or that she knows etc. Supposedly Jeff Lobe (not sure about the last name) is the one who said the Avengers would find out Coulson's alive. He's someone connected to Marvel, I think. A theory I heard said that could mean that when things are reversed in the next Avengers movie that Coulson never actually dies. Though if Shield gets a season six, that would change too much, so I don't know how convinced I am of this theory. |
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Post by haxemon on Apr 30, 2018 17:20:42 GMT
Supposedly Jeff Lobe (not sure about the last name) is the one who said the Avengers would find out Coulson's alive. He's someone connected to Marvel, I think. A theory I heard said that could mean that when things are reversed in the next Avengers movie that Coulson never actually dies. Though if Shield gets a season six, that would change too much, so I don't know how convinced I am of this theory. Yeah short of Marvel doing something silly (or "something I don't like") I think there are only two paths really. 1. That the Avengers already know Coulson was brought back and have simply dealt with it off screen. Or maybe 1 or 2 still don't know. or 2. That somehow it's still been a secret (not sure how) and they find out in A4 or something, maybe with the Captain Marvel tie-in. But "never actually dies" would be insane IMO. Unless they have A4 include a part where things revert back to 2012 or something - which would also be silly IMO. |
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I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 