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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 12, 2018 12:04:45 GMT
I thought that it'd be a good idea to put everything we know from this season all one place-just so we can gather everything up and make it easier to keep it all straight.
We know:
-Definitively that May, YoYo, Fitz, and Simmons make it to the Lighthouse and survive until at least 2022 (unless you discount YoYo...).
-Robin claims, "Phillip J. Coulson. He can put all the pieces together."
-According to Elena, the steps that were originally taken to prevent his death were the catalyst for the destruction of the Earth.
-Daisy was at the epicenter of an earthquake (whether she caused it or not is heresy) in an evacuated city at some point.
-Kasius's dad was part of a "Confederacy" but we DO NOT have proof that Quovas (Shadow guy from blue room) is his dad.
-"A" Destroyer of Worlds is said to have destroyed the world.
-FitzSimmons' daughter is Deke's mom until she is killed after Kasius purges the Elders and smart people or people who spoke of "The Prophecy".
-May raises Robin and presumably dies in her old age.
-At some point they are able to design a Gravitonium infused Zephyr One.
-FitzSimmons design the schematics of the portal until they die and their work is taken over by Owen (Deke's dad, their son in law).
-The Team all change their names at some point because they are on the run.
-The Diner is said to have been the last place they were ALL seen together (which I think should be correct because I can't think of a time when they were all even in the same room).
-Presently, there should be another Fitz and Enoch floating in space.
Did I miss anything?
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Post by haxemon on Apr 12, 2018 14:49:41 GMT
FitzSimmons' daughter _IS_ Deke's mom.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 12, 2018 15:59:22 GMT
FitzSimmons' daughter _IS_ Deke's mom. That was me thinking ahead and repeating myself without realizing it. I knew that. |
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Post by haxemon on Apr 13, 2018 13:18:11 GMT
I assumed you knew, was more clarifying what I figured was a typo. I catch myself doing that often too. I'm typing one part of my thought while my brain has already moved on to the next cranberry.
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Post by FreeKresge on Apr 13, 2018 15:59:42 GMT
A couple of nits to pick:
Elena did not exactly say that Coulson was going to die. Instead she said:
I interpret this as saying that Coulson is dying, something the whole teams knows by now, and that, In Older Elena's timeline, the team did something to avert his death that cost them the world. This something could be anything from preventing a heroic sacrifice to making a deal with the Kree to obtain ingredients to synthesize GH-325. The warning was for the team not to intervene. It does not preclude the idea that Coulson may be able to save himself or that a third party may be able to save him.
All seven members of the team were in the same room in a couple of scenes in the first act of "The Last Day," which was after the diner. In the second act of the episode, everyone but Daisy went to Hale's trap. We do not see Daisy with any of the others until after Elena lost her arms and was kept in medical for several episodes. On the other hand, assuming that May was using Robin's exact words, the diner was the last time that they were "seen" together if one does not count Noah or any internal cameras seeing all seven together.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 13, 2018 16:06:07 GMT
A couple of nits to pick: Elena did not exactly say that Coulson was going to die. Instead she said: I interpret this as saying that Coulson is dying, something the whole teams knows by now, and that, In Older Elena's timeline, the team did something to avert his death that cost them the world. This something could be anything from preventing a heroic sacrifice to making a deal with the Kree to obtain ingredients to synthesize GH-325. The warning was for the team not to intervene. It does not preclude the idea that Coulson may be able to save himself or that a third party may be able to save him. All seven members of the team were in the same room in a couple of scenes in the first act of "The Last Day," which was after the diner. In the second act of the episode, everyone but Daisy went to Hale's trap. We do not see Daisy with any of the others until after Elena lost her arms and was kept in medical for several episodes. On the other hand, assuming that May was using Robin's exact words, the diner was the last time that they were "seen" together if one does not count Noah or any internal cameras seeing all seven together. All 7 members of the team could not be in the same room in "The Last Day" because Mack and Elena stayed on the Lighthouse. I think you are talking about 5x11, which in that case, yes you got me there, although Daisy was knocked out. |
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Post by FreeKresge on Apr 13, 2018 20:26:21 GMT
A couple of nits to pick: Elena did not exactly say that Coulson was going to die. Instead she said: I interpret this as saying that Coulson is dying, something the whole teams knows by now, and that, In Older Elena's timeline, the team did something to avert his death that cost them the world. This something could be anything from preventing a heroic sacrifice to making a deal with the Kree to obtain ingredients to synthesize GH-325. The warning was for the team not to intervene. It does not preclude the idea that Coulson may be able to save himself or that a third party may be able to save him. All seven members of the team were in the same room in a couple of scenes in the first act of "The Last Day," which was after the diner. In the second act of the episode, everyone but Daisy went to Hale's trap. We do not see Daisy with any of the others until after Elena lost her arms and was kept in medical for several episodes. On the other hand, assuming that May was using Robin's exact words, the diner was the last time that they were "seen" together if one does not count Noah or any internal cameras seeing all seven together. All 7 members of the team could not be in the same room in "The Last Day" because Mack and Elena stayed on the Lighthouse. I think you are talking about 5x11, which in that case, yes you got me there, although Daisy was knocked out. You are right. I meant 5x11. Daisy was knocked out when the team first arrived in the present, but there is a scene at the end of the first act in which all seven members of the team and Noah are staring at video of the bait for the trap. |
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Post by beren44 on Apr 13, 2018 21:19:43 GMT
All 7 members of the team could not be in the same room in "The Last Day" because Mack and Elena stayed on the Lighthouse. I think you are talking about 5x11, which in that case, yes you got me there, although Daisy was knocked out. You are right. I meant 5x11. Daisy was knocked out when the team first arrived in the present, but there is a scene at the end of the first act in which all seven members of the team and Noah are staring at video of the bait for the trap. Just to throw another kink into it, Phil already DID actually die (again). It was Kreel -via Talbot- that brought him back to life. Don't know if they count as part of the 'we' in 'we have to let him', but its something to consider. So, maybe, IF they aren't considered 'we', (and Coulson DID die), that part of the magic loop is broken now? Just food for thought. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 13, 2018 21:35:12 GMT
You are right. I meant 5x11. Daisy was knocked out when the team first arrived in the present, but there is a scene at the end of the first act in which all seven members of the team and Noah are staring at video of the bait for the trap. Just to throw another kink into it, Phil already DID actually die (again). It was Kreel -via Talbot- that brought him back to life. Don't know if they count as part of the 'we' in 'we have to let him', but its something to consider. So, maybe, IF they aren't considered 'we', (and Coulson DID die), that part of the magic loop is broken now? Just food for thought. There is noooo way that counts as Coulson's "we have to let him die" death. For one, there was no one from the team around him when it happened so there was no feasible way that anyone from the team could have prevented it, and even if by some miracle they could have prevented it, as of right now, no one from the team knows he died in the first place. Sure, Robin said, "He's gonna die", but May would reasonably assume she was talking about his current state of "I'm dying". Also, that death obviously did not 'undo' that current state of 'i'm dying'. And, I am SOOOOO not cool with the fact I have to specify which Coulson-death I am referring too. Thanks, show. |
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Post by FreeKresge on Apr 13, 2018 23:37:49 GMT
A few more things:
According to Kasius, S.H.I.E.L.D. will become "one of the galaxy's most despised organizations." It is very possible that this reputation will be Kree propaganda.
Elena will be killed with Kasius getting hold of her body. Either before she dies or after she is resurrected, she will be tortured and reveal enough information for Kasius to hold on to her body for future reference.
At some time before Elena's first death, Mack will be "gone." It will not be clear if this means that he is dead or comatose, or if he simply left them never to return.
Fitz and Simmons will be very fondly remembered by their daughter. On the other hand, the daughter will marry "some belligerent space goon" and "give birth to a Deke." Even if Fitz is being paranoid, their son in law will have a violent streak.
Simmons will die a gruesome death. As Robin noted, there will be "so much blood." Before then, Simmons will repeat "The steps you take don't need to be big. They just need to take you in the right direction" many times.
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Post by beren44 on Apr 14, 2018 0:26:25 GMT
Just to throw another kink into it, Phil already DID actually die (again). It was Kreel -via Talbot- that brought him back to life. Don't know if they count as part of the 'we' in 'we have to let him', but its something to consider. So, maybe, IF they aren't considered 'we', (and Coulson DID die), that part of the magic loop is broken now? Just food for thought. There is noooo way that counts as Coulson's "we have to let him die" death. For one, there was no one from the team around him when it happened so there was no feasible way that anyone from the team could have prevented it, and even if by some miracle they could have prevented it, as of right now, no one from the team knows he died in the first place. Sure, Robin said, "He's gonna die", but May would reasonably assume she was talking about his current state of "I'm dying". Also, that death obviously did not 'undo' that current state of 'i'm dying'. And, I am SOOOOO not cool with the fact I have to specify which Coulson-death I am referring too. Thanks, show. My point was, is it feasible that Talbot could be considered 'part of the team'? I might not have expressed myself well, it is a murky subject for sure. That's why I haven't commented much on the whole 'time-loop'..or at least, haven't tried to speculate or second guess what they have planned. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Apr 14, 2018 6:19:38 GMT
There is noooo way that counts as Coulson's "we have to let him die" death. For one, there was no one from the team around him when it happened so there was no feasible way that anyone from the team could have prevented it, and even if by some miracle they could have prevented it, as of right now, no one from the team knows he died in the first place. Sure, Robin said, "He's gonna die", but May would reasonably assume she was talking about his current state of "I'm dying". Also, that death obviously did not 'undo' that current state of 'i'm dying'. And, I am SOOOOO not cool with the fact I have to specify which Coulson-death I am referring too. Thanks, show. My point was, is it feasible that Talbot could be considered 'part of the team'? I might not have expressed myself well, it is a murky subject for sure. That's why I haven't commented much on the whole 'time-loop'..or at least, haven't tried to speculate or second guess what they have planned. Does Talbot count as part of the team? I think he should but Elena, in the past or present, would not consider him. Especially since there hasn't been a single reference to Talbot in any capacity in the future. I also am refraining from digging too deep into the time loop shenanigans...with the exception of it regarding Coulson. |
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