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Post by DoTheMath on Mar 27, 2018 1:21:10 GMT
Okay, let put this out there first SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (UP TO 5X14 ANYWAYS) *** Spoiler Gap*** Now that, that's taken care of....... We know, that Deke knows, and now Jemma knows, that Deke is FitzSimmons' grand son. We also know that every time there's a new male character in his mid twenties to mid thirties, the speculation begins on if this new guy will be Mary Sue Poots/Skye/Daisy/Quake/Destroyer of Worlds' (MSPSDQDOW for short) new boy toy. Doesn't seem like it yet, but......................... who knows? However.................................... if it were to happen that MSPSDQDOW and the Dekester bumped uglies on level 69 of the lighthouse............... and.................. inadvertently forgot to use protection................. and...................... MSPSDQDOW got preggars........................... and (God forbid) Jemma Simmons were to die, unable to give birth to Deke's mommy.................... What happens to Deke? What happens to MSPSDQDOW's and Deke's child? Flux Capacitor Abortion? Or, Flux Capacitor Birth? Schrodinger's Pregnancy? My brain hurts...... Don't ya just love time travel?
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Mar 27, 2018 3:13:04 GMT
Okay, let put this out there first SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (UP TO 5X14 ANYWAYS) *** Spoiler Gap*** Now that, that's taken care of....... We know, that Deke knows, and now Jemma knows, that Deke is FitzSimmons' grand son. We also know that every time there's a new male character in his mid twenties to mid thirties, the speculation begins on if this new guy will be Mary Sue Poots/Skye/Daisy/Quake/Destroyer of Worlds' (MSPSDQDOW for short) new boy toy. Doesn't seem like it yet, but......................... who knows? However.................................... if it were to happen that MSPSDQDOW and the Dekester bumped uglies on level 69 of the lighthouse............... and.................. inadvertently forgot to use protection................. and...................... MSPSDQDOW got preggars........................... and (God forbid) Jemma Simmons were to die, unable to give birth to Deke's mommy.................... What happens to Deke? What happens to MSPSDQDOW's and Deke's child? Flux Capacitor Abortion? Or, Flux Capacitor Birth? Schrodinger's Pregnancy? My brain hurts...... Don't ya just love time travel? If we aren’t careful, we’ll get a visit From Temporal Investigations.
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Post by FreeKresge on Mar 27, 2018 3:24:32 GMT
Fitz in "Spacetime," as well as real-world science, states that time is how we perceive the fourth dimension. If something happens in the fourth dimension, then it happens. In four-dimensional space, time appears to travel in a straight line. However, space is not limited to four dimensions. In five-dimensional space, time may not necessarily travel in a straight line. So far this season, we are told that the characters are in a time loop. This loop would exist in five-dimensional space. If this loop goes back to the same identical timeline that led to what we saw in the first ten episodes of this season, then everything that happened in that timeline will happen. The earth will be destroyed. Simmons will live long enough to give birth to Deke's mother and will live long enough to tell Deke's mother her brand-new never-heard- before catchphrase. This is inevitable.
I doubt that this will be the case. Instead, I expect that the earth will be saved. This means that the team did not go back to the original timeline but to an alternate timeline. For example, suppose that the timeline forked into several different timelines at the moment that the team is transported to the future and that, each time they are sent back, they are sent back to a different tine of the fork. They looked further along the fourth dimension in another timeline, not this one, so, as far as they and we know, nothing is inevitable. If Simmons were to die before giving birth to Deke's mother, then there will not be a Deke born later in this timeline. The Deke that we know is from a different timeline and will not be affected. His grandmother is, instead, an alternate version of Simmons and not the one that we see now. That version of Simmons survived, so the version of Deke that we see was born. If he and MSPSDQDOW have a child, that child will also continue to exist.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Mar 27, 2018 3:32:34 GMT
That's the great big kicker of it all. Since time travel is purely hypothetical, each show that has it gets to make up their own rules. As for Deke and Daisy, I really hope they don't go that route. Besides, for all we know Ruby could be the next love interest for Daisy. Apart from the gender, she fits much better with the past patterns.
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Post by haxemon on Mar 27, 2018 12:33:48 GMT
Marty McFly should not be considered the standard for time travel stories. I know we're talking fiction and theoretical science (at best) but the idea of a picture fading, let alone a person is about as far from plausible as you can get. Terminator got it a bit closer if you accept that SkyNet was really just trying to destroy a timeline where it knows it loses, rather than alter it to "win" retroactively.
DOFP used the fade out but I choose to believe that was artistic, not really happening as that entire timeline was "pruned".
Anyway, Deke has nothing to worry about. If FitzSimmons don't have kids or if, because Deke is there which likely "butterfly effect"s things they conceive at a different time and have a different kid, Deke will not fade away.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Mar 27, 2018 20:19:58 GMT
It depends on whether you believe in alternate timelines. If you don't, then once Jemma dies (or fails to have a daughter), not only will Deke immediately cease to exist, but all memories (by anyone who knew Deke) and anything Deke may have created will cease to exist as well, and reality will adjust accordingly. If you believe in alternate timelines, then Deke has already jumped into one when he was brought to 2018, and will continue to exist even if Jemma does not, since he's not the grandchild of the Jemma in the current timeline. There is another theory that says all of reality is pre-ordained, and no matter how you try to change the past, it's already happened, so you can't change it. With this theory, Jemma *will* have a daughter, because Deke must exist. And this is why I didn't want the team to go through real time travel. Real time travel is ugly...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Mar 27, 2018 20:26:35 GMT
Now this does bring up a question (that I've posed before.)
Why didn't Robin recognize Deke? We know Deke knew Robin on the Lighthouse before she became a surface dweller, but he was completely ignored when the team went to the surface.
Was Enoch's interference enough to change the timeline by bringing Deke to 2018?
Deke may actually be the key to saving Earth by interacting with Fitz, Simmons and Daisy...
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Post by haxemon on Mar 27, 2018 20:35:15 GMT
I do think that the latest loop (or maybe it's really just the first and last loop back) with Deke in 2018 is what changes things. Deke's presence will be the reason they change things.
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Post by DoTheMath on Mar 28, 2018 0:48:08 GMT
Marty McFly should not be considered the standard for time travel stories. I know we're talking fiction and theoretical science (at best) but the idea of a picture fading, let alone a person is about as far from plausible as you can get. Terminator got it a bit closer if you accept that SkyNet was really just trying to destroy a timeline where it knows it loses, rather than alter it to "win" retroactively. DOFP used the fade out but I choose to believe that was artistic, not really happening as that entire timeline was "pruned". Anyway, Deke has nothing to worry about. If FitzSimmons don't have kids or if, because Deke is there which likely "butterfly effect"s things they conceive at a different time and have a different kid, Deke will not fade away. I know. But it does make for some riveting conversations......
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Post by Hari Seldon on Mar 28, 2018 1:24:59 GMT
Marty McFly should not be considered the standard for time travel stories. I know we're talking fiction and theoretical science (at best) but the idea of a picture fading, let alone a person is about as far from plausible as you can get. Terminator got it a bit closer if you accept that SkyNet was really just trying to destroy a timeline where it knows it loses, rather than alter it to "win" retroactively. DOFP used the fade out but I choose to believe that was artistic, not really happening as that entire timeline was "pruned". Anyway, Deke has nothing to worry about. If FitzSimmons don't have kids or if, because Deke is there which likely "butterfly effect"s things they conceive at a different time and have a different kid, Deke will not fade away. I know. But it does make for some riveting conversations...... The time travel grammar is not exactly one the more original concepts for TBBT. Douglas Adams addressed it back in 1980 (and who knows how long before that he figured it out):
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Mar 28, 2018 22:21:05 GMT
*looks at OP*
*blinks*
*looks from screen*
*Looks back at screen*
*Blinks*
*Leaves thread with headache*
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