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Post by backroadjunkie on Mar 5, 2018 16:19:42 GMT
I'm just praying that the 117% bump in ratings from Live+7 is enough for ABC to continue to see that the show has potential. I *hate* that we go through this EVERY SEASON. Yeah, we do go through this every season.  I think it's also worth it to keep in mind that AoS is a bit different beast than other series, due to its relationship with Disney and Marvel. Those are some pretty big guns to have in our corner, especially if Disney/Marvel feel it's in their interest for AoS to continue to air. I'm sure there is quite a bit of additional backroom wheeling and dealing that happens with AoS that other shows without those connections don't get. Didn't they renew S5 early? And not to correct our host, but in the end it isn't the "relationship" between Disney and Marvel that will decide if there's a S6, but the intermediary, ABC and ABC Studios. ABC is the entity that actually produces the show, and they are the ones to ultimately decide if there's an S6 or not. With that, there's a few caveats, like Jemma points out. If Iger (for instance) says, "Do season 6", we'll see season 6. A power-that-be at Disney may want to maintain a Marvel/ABC connection. At this point in Marvel's existence, being associated isn't a bad thing. Especially since the television product rivals the cinematic. (My bias there.  ) The show is relatively cheap to produce. Almost every piece is owned by Disney, so there is little revenue leakage. Ratings might not mean much. For instance, Last Man Standing had decent ratings for a Friday night, but it was an expensive show owned by 21st. (There may have been a political bias, but it could be justified from a business standpoint.) What was Last Man Standing replaced with? Agents of SHIELD. Another reason is if Marvel needs to back-end some story for the MCU, they could request the series continue. For instance, the way this season was renewed, I wonder if we aren't seeing some sort of foundation for one of the movies. (I will laugh if there's a Kree invasion in Infinity War.) So rather than having an Inhumans problem (that is, creating an event in the MTU that can't be ignored by the rest of the MCU), Marvel could have told the writers what sort of world changing event would be okay... Heh... On the original point, I wonder if the writers are wrapping things up because they were told to. Regardless of the schism between the MCU and the MTU, a major event in the MCU will still impact AoS. This may not be bad thing, for instance, a reboot of AoS into a SWORD setting, which may be where Marvel is heading. Of course, Thanos could destroy the Earth. End of series. (Yeah, doing backups again.) |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Mar 5, 2018 21:14:25 GMT
Yeah, we do go through this every season. I think it's also worth it to keep in mind that AoS is a bit different beast than other series, due to its relationship with Disney and Marvel. Those are some pretty big guns to have in our corner, especially if Disney/Marvel feel it's in their interest for AoS to continue to air. I'm sure there is quite a bit of additional backroom wheeling and dealing that happens with AoS that other shows without those connections don't get. Didn't they renew S5 early? And not to correct our host, but in the end it isn't the "relationship" between Disney and Marvel that will decide if there's a S6, but the intermediary, ABC and ABC Studios. ABC is the entity that actually produces the show, and they are the ones to ultimately decide if there's an S6 or not. With that, there's a few caveats, like Jemma points out. If Iger (for instance) says, "Do season 6", we'll see season 6. A power-that-be at Disney may want to maintain a Marvel/ABC connection. At this point in Marvel's existence, being associated isn't a bad thing. Especially since the television product rivals the cinematic. (My bias there. ) The show is relatively cheap to produce. Almost every piece is owned by Disney, so there is little revenue leakage. Ratings might not mean much. For instance, Last Man Standing had decent ratings for a Friday night, but it was an expensive show owned by 21st. (There may have been a political bias, but it could be justified from a business standpoint.) What was Last Man Standing replaced with? Agents of SHIELD. Another reason is if Marvel needs to back-end some story for the MCU, they could request the series continue. For instance, the way this season was renewed, I wonder if we aren't seeing some sort of foundation for one of the movies. (I will laugh if there's a Kree invasion in Infinity War.) So rather than having an Inhumans problem (that is, creating an event in the MTU that can't be ignored by the rest of the MCU), Marvel could have told the writers what sort of world changing event would be okay... Heh... On the original point, I wonder if the writers are wrapping things up because they were told to. Regardless of the schism between the MCU and the MTU, a major event in the MCU will still impact AoS. This may not be bad thing, for instance, a reboot of AoS into a SWORD setting, which may be where Marvel is heading. Of course, Thanos could destroy the Earth. End of series. (Yeah, doing backups again.) At this point, AoS might need to sever with the MCU anyway. Didn't a load of Asguardians come to Earth at the end of T:R? And wouldn't you expect them to respond to a Kree invasion? Granted, I won't be surprised if Infinity War forgets about them too. |
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Post by nillindeiel on Mar 5, 2018 21:56:27 GMT
At this point, AoS might need to sever with the MCU anyway. Didn't a load of Asguardians come to Earth at the end of T:R? And wouldn't you expect them to respond to a Kree invasion? Granted, I won't be surprised if Infinity War forgets about them too. Regarding the bolded, as of the end of the movie they were only on their way to Earth - they never actually arrived and we won't know if they even will arrive (given how one of the credit scenes left us hanging) until Infinity War. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Mar 5, 2018 22:13:46 GMT
Didn't they renew S5 early? And not to correct our host, but in the end it isn't the "relationship" between Disney and Marvel that will decide if there's a S6, but the intermediary, ABC and ABC Studios. ABC is the entity that actually produces the show, and they are the ones to ultimately decide if there's an S6 or not. With that, there's a few caveats, like Jemma points out. If Iger (for instance) says, "Do season 6", we'll see season 6. A power-that-be at Disney may want to maintain a Marvel/ABC connection. At this point in Marvel's existence, being associated isn't a bad thing. Especially since the television product rivals the cinematic. (My bias there. ) The show is relatively cheap to produce. Almost every piece is owned by Disney, so there is little revenue leakage. Ratings might not mean much. For instance, Last Man Standing had decent ratings for a Friday night, but it was an expensive show owned by 21st. (There may have been a political bias, but it could be justified from a business standpoint.) What was Last Man Standing replaced with? Agents of SHIELD. Another reason is if Marvel needs to back-end some story for the MCU, they could request the series continue. For instance, the way this season was renewed, I wonder if we aren't seeing some sort of foundation for one of the movies. (I will laugh if there's a Kree invasion in Infinity War.) So rather than having an Inhumans problem (that is, creating an event in the MTU that can't be ignored by the rest of the MCU), Marvel could have told the writers what sort of world changing event would be okay... Heh... On the original point, I wonder if the writers are wrapping things up because they were told to. Regardless of the schism between the MCU and the MTU, a major event in the MCU will still impact AoS. This may not be bad thing, for instance, a reboot of AoS into a SWORD setting, which may be where Marvel is heading. Of course, Thanos could destroy the Earth. End of series. (Yeah, doing backups again.) At this point, AoS might need to sever with the MCU anyway. Didn't a load of Asguardians come to Earth at the end of T:R? And wouldn't you expect them to respond to a Kree invasion? Granted, I won't be surprised if Infinity War forgets about them too. Well if... 'Black Panther' took place one week after CA:CW, and the movies are supposed to take place all around the same time, that means that unless AoS continues it's time travel shenanigans, AoS will always be ahead of the movies because CW was in season *3*. Was that intentional on the writers' part, the movies' part, or just a consequence of a TV show airing schedule vs a movie premiere schedule? Who knows? |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Mar 5, 2018 22:33:59 GMT
Yeah, we do go through this every season. I think it's also worth it to keep in mind that AoS is a bit different beast than other series, due to its relationship with Disney and Marvel. Those are some pretty big guns to have in our corner, especially if Disney/Marvel feel it's in their interest for AoS to continue to air. I'm sure there is quite a bit of additional backroom wheeling and dealing that happens with AoS that other shows without those connections don't get. Didn't they renew S5 early? And not to correct our host, but in the end it isn't the "relationship" between Disney and Marvel that will decide if there's a S6, but the intermediary, ABC and ABC Studios. ABC is the entity that actually produces the show, and they are the ones to ultimately decide if there's an S6 or not. With that, there's a few caveats, like Jemma points out. If Iger (for instance) says, "Do season 6", we'll see season 6. A power-that-be at Disney may want to maintain a Marvel/ABC connection. At this point in Marvel's existence, being associated isn't a bad thing. Especially since the television product rivals the cinematic. (My bias there. ) The show is relatively cheap to produce. Almost every piece is owned by Disney, so there is little revenue leakage. Ratings might not mean much. For instance, Last Man Standing had decent ratings for a Friday night, but it was an expensive show owned by 21st. (There may have been a political bias, but it could be justified from a business standpoint.) What was Last Man Standing replaced with? Agents of SHIELD. Another reason is if Marvel needs to back-end some story for the MCU, they could request the series continue. For instance, the way this season was renewed, I wonder if we aren't seeing some sort of foundation for one of the movies. (I will laugh if there's a Kree invasion in Infinity War.) So rather than having an Inhumans problem (that is, creating an event in the MTU that can't be ignored by the rest of the MCU), Marvel could have told the writers what sort of world changing event would be okay... Heh... On the original point, I wonder if the writers are wrapping things up because they were told to. Regardless of the schism between the MCU and the MTU, a major event in the MCU will still impact AoS. This may not be bad thing, for instance, a reboot of AoS into a SWORD setting, which may be where Marvel is heading. Of course, Thanos could destroy the Earth. End of series. (Yeah, doing backups again.) Good point. I do still think we'll never really know what all goes into the wheeling and dealing to get shows renewed, but you are right about that. /Didn't it come out that ABC was going to cancel AoS last year, but Disney/Marvel pulled rank and made them renew the show for S5? |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Mar 5, 2018 23:07:37 GMT
Didn't they renew S5 early? And not to correct our host, but in the end it isn't the "relationship" between Disney and Marvel that will decide if there's a S6, but the intermediary, ABC and ABC Studios. ABC is the entity that actually produces the show, and they are the ones to ultimately decide if there's an S6 or not. With that, there's a few caveats, like Jemma points out. If Iger (for instance) says, "Do season 6", we'll see season 6. A power-that-be at Disney may want to maintain a Marvel/ABC connection. At this point in Marvel's existence, being associated isn't a bad thing. Especially since the television product rivals the cinematic. (My bias there. ) The show is relatively cheap to produce. Almost every piece is owned by Disney, so there is little revenue leakage. Ratings might not mean much. For instance, Last Man Standing had decent ratings for a Friday night, but it was an expensive show owned by 21st. (There may have been a political bias, but it could be justified from a business standpoint.) What was Last Man Standing replaced with? Agents of SHIELD. Another reason is if Marvel needs to back-end some story for the MCU, they could request the series continue. For instance, the way this season was renewed, I wonder if we aren't seeing some sort of foundation for one of the movies. (I will laugh if there's a Kree invasion in Infinity War.) So rather than having an Inhumans problem (that is, creating an event in the MTU that can't be ignored by the rest of the MCU), Marvel could have told the writers what sort of world changing event would be okay... Heh... On the original point, I wonder if the writers are wrapping things up because they were told to. Regardless of the schism between the MCU and the MTU, a major event in the MCU will still impact AoS. This may not be bad thing, for instance, a reboot of AoS into a SWORD setting, which may be where Marvel is heading. Of course, Thanos could destroy the Earth. End of series. (Yeah, doing backups again.) Good point. I do still think we'll never really know what all goes into the wheeling and dealing to get shows renewed, but you are right about that. /Didn't it come out that ABC was going to cancel AoS last year, but Disney/Marvel pulled rank and made them renew the show for S5? Yes, that's exactly what happened. |
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I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 