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Post by beren44 on Jan 27, 2018 18:50:23 GMT
I keep forgetting. Someone, I think it was in the chat, named Sinara as Sina(t)ra. Definitely disagree, this is a Whedon production so her full name is probably Sinara Erra. hint: I need not even look at the spoiler tag to get that 😌 |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 27, 2018 19:34:36 GMT
Oh, yeah, Sinara. How cool is a Zero G fight? I'm not sure the writers actually understood the "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing, though. But it was a nice death. She could have at least done the trope and grabbed at the pole as she died... It's not so much the writers as the fight choreographers. They had some of the zero-G tropes like everything rising without actually having a force act upon it, but I thought they were doing pretty good when Daisy landed the first punch and had herself thrown against the wall/ceiling behind her. But they did miss that Sinara should have kept moving even after the pole was stuck in her, though Daisy did look like she had herself fairly well braced. When Daisy landed the punch, she should have gone spinning away since her shoulder is at the edge of her mass. They finally get the spinning thing right a couple scenes later in the full cgi kick scene, but if you pay attention, most of the zero-g fighting scenes are upright in relation to the room. But that's okay, I'm willing to overlook those things when talking about a TV budget. I'm also willing to overlook those things since they're also in a plane designed for atmospheric travel, with artificial gravity caused by something called Gravitonium, fighting blue people with Earth in a number of little pieces...  |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 27, 2018 19:57:58 GMT
Question about the last scene: If Kasius has a "Robin" too, how did he not see Yoyo/Mack's plan coming? Or Sinara's failure? It is most likely someone he brought back to life. Ideally it would be Virgil. He didn't know everything, but he did know the prophecy and its major events. The resurrection of the Zephyr was probably a major event since Robin drew it twice. That would mean Kasius knows the overall story, but not the details. Anyway, I assume it's someone dead. Why else would they pull out the ol' "Bring 'em back to life" trick? |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Jan 27, 2018 20:06:18 GMT
Question about the last scene: If Kasius has a "Robin" too, how did he not see Yoyo/Mack's plan coming? Or Sinara's failure? It is most likely someone he brought back to life. Ideally it would be Virgil. He didn't know everything, but he did know the prophecy and its major events. The resurrection of the Zephyr was probably a major event since Robin drew it twice. That would mean Kasius knows the overall story, but not the details. Anyway, I assume it's someone dead. Why else would they pull out the ol' "Bring 'em back to life" trick? You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. |
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Post by DoTheMath on Jan 27, 2018 20:20:50 GMT
It is most likely someone he brought back to life. Ideally it would be Virgil. He didn't know everything, but he did know the prophecy and its major events. The resurrection of the Zephyr was probably a major event since Robin drew it twice. That would mean Kasius knows the overall story, but not the details. Anyway, I assume it's someone dead. Why else would they pull out the ol' "Bring 'em back to life" trick? You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. Virgil was eaten by Vrellnexians. My money is on Deke's dad. He's been mentioned too often to not be a major plot device. EDIT:Or Deke's mom. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Jan 27, 2018 20:24:00 GMT
You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. Virgil was eaten by Vrellnexians. My money is on Deke's dad. He's been mentioned too often to not be a major plot device. EDIT:Or Deke's mom. I like BOTH of these ideas! |
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Post by koos on Jan 27, 2018 20:25:14 GMT
It is most likely someone he brought back to life. Ideally it would be Virgil. He didn't know everything, but he did know the prophecy and its major events. The resurrection of the Zephyr was probably a major event since Robin drew it twice. That would mean Kasius knows the overall story, but not the details. Anyway, I assume it's someone dead. Why else would they pull out the ol' "Bring 'em back to life" trick? You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. I also think he came up with that person after his plan failed and they destroyed his lab. The guy who was standing at the door is a sort of doctor and her red blood on his chest. It seems they brought so eone back from the dead or was already alive and did a number on him/her. But Virgil is unlikely. It has to be someone from the team who had been back from the future and therefore knows what will happen. Exactly. I can only think of two persons. Yo yo, old. Would explain extra his surprise that he saw her back again, while he had her (dead or alive) somewhere else. Or Fitz. Having lived all the way through or old enough that Kasius didn't recognize Bosstok. Or they found his body on level three, still somewhat preserved. Jemma is also a possibiliy. But for so e reason, I find Fitz likelier. There is still the two Fitzs that needs some dealing with, and this could play into that. Kasius has a beef with both of them though. But Fitz betrayed him and would I consider worse than a slave wanting to escape. May died probably decades ago, under nirnal circumstances in Robin's arms. I think her body is gone by now. |
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Post by koos on Jan 27, 2018 20:27:01 GMT
You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. Virgil was eaten by Vrellnexians. My money is on Deke's dad. He's been mentioned too often to not be a major plot device. EDIT:Or Deke's mom. Seems unlike to me. He doesn't know about the Zypher flying, let alone arrive where at the Lighthouse. And he was killed in the zypher at the surface. No way Kasius has his body. Could also be this Tye guy (the guy who trained in the Inhuman), who either became an Inhuman with Seer powers or already was. But I like the idea of someone from the team from the past more. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Jan 27, 2018 20:30:05 GMT
Ugh! Writers! Why you do this to us?!?! |
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Post by DoTheMath on Jan 27, 2018 20:42:49 GMT
Seems unlike to me. He gpdoesn't kmow about the Zypher flying, let alone arrive where at the Lighthouse. And he was killed in the zypher at the surface. No way Kasius has his body. I figure that both Deke's parents were close with Robin and know her prophecies (especially his mom, which is why I added her later) and would/could have seen Robin's drawings........... |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 27, 2018 20:49:41 GMT
You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. Virgil was eaten by Vrellnexians. He wasn't exactly eaten. He had his tasty innerds sucked out. I'm not sure if the tech the Kree has will do wholesale replacement of organs, but it did repair a scepter through the chest wound... Voss admitted putting a knife in his throat. Kasius didn't know there were people on the surface, so I doubt he'd know where to find his dad. Maybe. I can see it if it's to influence Deke, but it's pretty late in the game to introduce what might seem like a contrived character. Actually, there's a more disturbing possibility. It could be any of the team, maybe even Coulson. Kasius was obviously the Kree that "rescued" the Lighthouse. Any of the team members in 2022 could have died and put into a deep freeze, with full knowledge of the events. Kasius didn't know about the Mack/Yo-Yo episode or Sinara, because he thought it was a myth and didn't bother pursuing the information. After the Mack/Yo-Yo event, he brings someone back to life and tortures the information out of him/her. Like keep killing them, and bringing them back to life. If they go that road, they better write in a very proper comeuppance for Kasius... |
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Post by koos on Jan 27, 2018 20:50:30 GMT
Seems unlike to me. He gpdoesn't kmow about the Zypher flying, let alone arrive where at the Lighthouse. And he was killed in the zypher at the surface. No way Kasius has his body. I figure that both Deke's parents were close with Robin and know her prophecies (especially his mom, which is why I added her later) and would/could have seen Robin's drawings........... It is possible. But this seems very specific info to me. Seems more like info from someone who has lived through it. And Robin lived on the Zypher for a long while, while her mother wouldn;t have made it to the Zypher (because how else would Kasius get her body?). Another issue is that Robin saw what they would do after he dead at a later time in her life. That makes it less likely that she would know what would happen when she was still at the lighthouse (too bad we never got to know how and when she arrived at the Zypher). Still possible, of course. But I think it is less likely. I am also missing an actor for this role on the cast list. Actually, there's a more disturbing possibility. It could be any of the team, maybe even Coulson. More likely someone on the team who has been living in the lighthouse. We never saw Coulson, Mack or Daisy at the lighthouse. I also think Coulson would have died several decades ago and unless they go the full horror scenario here and bring back a skeleton. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 27, 2018 21:05:06 GMT
You know, this really makes sense. Also, Virgil would be a great card for the writers to play because he’s been gone long enough he’s not someone your average viewer would immediately think of. I haven’t looked closely at the guest star list, but it’s also not unheard of to keep that quiet for a surprise return. I’ll go a step further and speculate the version of the Framework here might be involved somehow. I just can’t believe that was mentioned and dropped. I also think he came up with that person after his plan failed and they destroyed his lab. The guy who was standing at the door is a sort of doctor and her red blood on his chest. It seems they brought so eone back from the dead or was already alive and did a number on him/her. But Virgil is unlikely. It has to be someone from the team who had been back from the future and therefore knows what will happen. Exactly. I can only think of two persons. Yo yo, old. Would explain extra his surprise that he saw her back again, while he had her (dead or alive) somewhere else. Or Fitz. Having lived all the way through or old enough that Kasius didn't recognize Bosstok. Or they found his body on level three, still somewhat preserved. Jemma is also a possibiliy. But for so e reason, I find Fitz likelier. There is still the two Fitzs that needs some dealing with, and this could play into that. Kasius has a beef with both of them though. But Fitz betrayed him and would I consider worse than a slave wanting to escape. May died probably decades ago, under nirnal circumstances in Robin's arms. I think her body is gone by now. Coulson. What would the do with a body on the Lighthouse with bad power cells in the early days? Probably not cremate, but put into something, exposed to space, and freeze the body. Everyone else is accounted for in 2022, except Coulson. Like he's already been out of the picture for a while. Yo-Yo is also a very good possibility, since Kasius knew her. But given the choice, I'd still rather have it be Virgil. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 27, 2018 21:14:49 GMT
Actually, there's a more disturbing possibility. It could be any of the team, maybe even Coulson. More likely someone on the team who has been living in the lighthouse. We never saw Coulson, Mack or Daisy at the lighthouse. I also think Coulson would have died several decades ago and unless they go the full horror scenario here and bring back a skeleton. I think they have two choices with bodies on the Lighthouse. Either cremate or freeze. (Or just eject them out into space, but that might turn into a horror show...) You're not burying bodies anymore. I would think graveyards would be a thing of the past. Fitz proved cryofreezing works, so it might not be out of the question to thaw someone out and bring them back to life. But that's why Virgil would be the best choice. He was the last true believer. |
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Post by DoTheMath on Jan 27, 2018 21:15:34 GMT
backroadjunkie koosAll very good points. I was just trying to think of a seer that ISN'T one of the team. 
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