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Post by polgara on Jan 18, 2018 4:30:30 GMT
koos said, Yes that line caught me full on. I think there has to be some significance (to be revealed shortly).
I think it may mean that Fitz no longer thinks the future is fixed if it has been seen, otherwise how would going to the future save earth. Or it may mean curse or no curse nothing will keep him away from Jemma.  |
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Post by koos on Jan 18, 2018 9:00:50 GMT
beren44 She did. There was something else that got my attention in this ep. Simmons: Seems impossible. Fitz: Nothing is impossible anymore. And a few scenes later: Falnouk: You lost a strategic outpost and thousands of warriors' lives in the process. Kasius: I was put in an impossible situation. Not sure yet what to think about it. But I found it interesting. It reminds me of S3 which was all about earning. Ward telling in his car commercial that you had to earn your place in Hydra. Telling to Werner von Strucker (Junior kid) that family name says nothing and that he had to earn his place. In the same ep. Fitz "earned" (as Ward and Hive would have said it) Simmons by risking his life, doing the impossible, and save her. Later Malick paid the price of losing his daughter because Hive knew he had betrayed his brother and wasn't willing to give up his life to the greater god. Despite making it his lives work, he hadn't "earned" it. It's like a theme: how to get out of an impossible situation? And not only for Kasius, but also for the team. Kasius was put into an impossible situation and with his exile to Earth, the darkest corner of the galaxy, he was put into an impossible situation again to get out off. With the help of the Destroyer of Worlds he is finally able to do this. Was this luck of did he managed to do the impossible? In other words, I'm toying with the idea that he is behind it all. Including the destruction of the planet. Why? He comes to earth, send by his father (who sees the planet as a promise) and learns of the prophecy. Quake is one of the people who is send from the past to the future. And other shield agents. He has gravitonium. He uses this to destroy the earth and blames it on the Inhuman Daisy. He destroys all history on the lighthouse, except some stuff in the Framework (especially scenes with Daisy in them). The rumor of the Destroyer of Worlds is born. He simply waits till she arrives according to the prophecy and even tells Daisy that he thinks the prophecy is there to help him. He does the impossible and with Daisy he frees himself from this hellhole which is our planet. Now, still many questions and unknows left. Who build the Lighthouse, for example? Did the Lighthouse have always had gravitonium? In my theory it is more likely that Kasius has put it there. But maybe it was there all the time. Anyway, just some thought about this. Work in progress. I think I can add some thoughts onto this train of thought. There's also the theme of fathers - the Kasius brothers being devoted to their father's opinion of them, Fitz being ready to mount the rescue because of his father's influence in the Maytrix, and possibly there will be some sort of father connection for Deke. Yeah, and Mack father (beating the crap out of that guy for telling him that he doesn't deserve a child) with Hope and acting fatherlike to Flint. Deke's father on the surface of the planet. And if they find out that Deke is FitzSimmons child than they are not going to get any children anymore  |
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Post by koos on Jan 18, 2018 9:11:30 GMT
koos said, Yes that line caught me full on. I think there has to be some significance (to be revealed shortly).I may very well have missed something, but I saw nothing that prevented it from being one of Stark's secret labs from the 80s, just like Coulson jokingly pondered. We already know it was really a lighthouse, in Ontario, with a secret underground lair. Fitz: "Who build it?" Enoch: "Unknown" Among other unknowns. Later: "As of this moment you are the only four humans who know this place's existence." Enoch knows of it from the Seer. The whole place is a mystery. It seems to me it was place to humanity to survive after the destruction of earth. Even though it was build as a base. |
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Post by FreeKresge on Jan 19, 2018 1:30:34 GMT
A few thoughts on this episode and the season so far: First, I have to say that the actors, writers and directors involved have done a fantastic job with Kasius and Sinara, particularly over the last two episodes. Somehow, the show managed to get me to root for two despicable characters without making them any less despicable. The Kree subordinates seem to hold Kaisus in high regard. Is this in spite of Kasius's sordid past, or do they not know about his history? If it is the latter, what will happen when the find out? Why do I have a feeling that this episode used more stage blood (of various colors) than was used in all 94 preceding episodes combined? May seemed a bit pissed off when she made the comment about Fitz and robots. Is she harboring more resentment toward Fitz than she let on at the end of the fourth season finale, or is she simply upset over his "ancient has-been" comment? We are about 1/3 of the way through the season (or will be by the second commercial break of the next episode). At this time in the first season, the two characters with the most dialogue were Coulson and Daisy (actually Skye then). At this time in the second season, it was Coulson and Skye. At this time in the third season, it was Coulson and, well, she was now Daisy. In the fourth season, it was Coulson and guess who? Gotcha, it was Fitz . So far in the fifth season, the two characters with the most dialogue are Deke and Kasius even though each of them were in only five of the seven episodes. The show is still called " Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.." However, not only is S.H.I.E.L.D. is kaput, but the show is not even focusing on the agents. I sort of understand the emphasis on Kasius. Heroes need villains to challenge them. While the MCU as a whole is criticized for weak and underdeveloped villains, this overlooked corner of the MCU gave us Raina, Ward, Garrett, Cal (if you call him a villain), Jiaying, and AIDA/Madame Hydra/Ophelia. Kasius and Sinara have the potential to join this group. As noted above, the show has been doing a good job in developing them. I just believe that at least one hero should have more focus than what the villain gets. Actually, one character is getting more attention, and that person is Deke. I know that he has been the primary source of exposition, which is a great method of accumulating dialogue, but does he really need twice as much dialogue as Simmons, nearly three times as much as Elena, and over four times as much as May? Of course, May has never been particularly talkative. Over the last three episodes, the Vicar had more dialogue than May had, and he was in only two of those episodes. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Jan 19, 2018 1:44:09 GMT
A few thoughts on this episode and the season so far: First, I have to say that the actors, writers and directors involved have done a fantastic job with Kasius and Sinara, particularly over the last two episodes. Somehow, the show managed to get me to root for two despicable characters without making them any less despicable. The Kree subordinates seem to hold Kaisus in high regard. Is this in spite of Kasius's sordid past, or do they not know about his history? If it is the latter, what will happen when the find out? Why do I have a feeling that this episode used more stage blood (of various colors) than was used in all 94 preceding episodes combined? May seemed a bit pissed off when she made the comment about Fitz and robots. Is she harboring more resentment toward Fitz than she let on at the end of the fourth season finale, or is she simply upset over his "ancient has-been" comment?We are about 1/3 of the way through the season (or will be by the second commercial break of the next episode). At this time in the first season, the two characters with the most dialogue were Coulson and Daisy (actually Skye then). At this time in the second season, it was Coulson and Skye. At this time in the third season, it was Coulson and, well, she was now Daisy. In the fourth season, it was Coulson and guess who? Gotcha, it was Fitz . So far in the fifth season, the two characters with the most dialogue are Deke and Kasius even though each of them were in only five of the seven episodes. The show is still called " Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.." However, not only is S.H.I.E.L.D. is kaput, but the show is not even focusing on the agents. I sort of understand the emphasis on Kasius. Heroes need villains to challenge them. While the MCU as a whole is criticized for weak and underdeveloped villains, this overlooked corner of the MCU gave us Raina, Ward, Garrett, Cal (if you call him a villain), Jiaying, and AIDA/Madame Hydra/Ophelia. Kasius and Sinara have the potential to join this group. As noted above, the show has been doing a good job in developing them. I just believe that at least one hero should have more focus than what the villain gets. Actually, one character is getting more attention, and that person is Deke. I know that he has been the primary source of exposition, which is a great method of accumulating dialogue, but does he really need twice as much dialogue as Simmons, nearly three times as much as Elena, and over four times as much as May? Of course, May has never been particularly talkative. Over the last three episodes, the Vicar had more dialogue than May had, and he was in only two of those episodes. It could be a combination of those things. |
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Post by beren44 on Jan 19, 2018 1:59:41 GMT
While the MCU as a whole is criticized for weak and underdeveloped villains, this overlooked corner of the MCU gave us Raina, Ward, Garrett, Cal (if you call him a villain), Jiaying, and AIDA/Madame Hydra/Ophelia. Let's not forget Quinn, Malick and Hive for pretty well developed villains. I may have to throw Malick and Raina in with Cal, though...all villains-turned-good-in-the-end. And Cal is still kicking. (I pointedly left out The Superior as a 'well developed villian'.) |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 19, 2018 2:21:42 GMT
May seemed a bit pissed off when she made the comment about Fitz and robots. Is she harboring more resentment toward Fitz than she let on at the end of the fourth season finale, or is she simply upset over his "ancient has-been" comment? It could be a combination of those things. Or it could be like the friend who after doing something really stupid while drunk swears off alcohol, then you see him with a drink in his hand and get mad before finding out it's non-alcoholic. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jan 19, 2018 4:13:59 GMT
While the MCU as a whole is criticized for weak and underdeveloped villains, this overlooked corner of the MCU gave us Raina, Ward, Garrett, Cal (if you call him a villain), Jiaying, and AIDA/Madame Hydra/Ophelia. Let's not forget Quinn, Malick and Hive for pretty well developed villains. I may have to throw Malick and Raina in with Cal, though...all villains-turned-good-in-the-end. And Cal is still kicking. (I pointedly left out The Superior as a 'well developed villian'.) Can Cal still count though? As far as we know, his 'Magical Place' programming is holding. But, you know, after Coulson's experience in the FW, they may want to check on him... |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jan 19, 2018 4:18:21 GMT
A few thoughts on this episode and the season so far: First, I have to say that the actors, writers and directors involved have done a fantastic job with Kasius and Sinara, particularly over the last two episodes. Somehow, the show managed to get me to root for two despicable characters without making them any less despicable. The Kree subordinates seem to hold Kaisus in high regard. Is this in spite of Kasius's sordid past, or do they not know about his history? If it is the latter, what will happen when the find out? Why do I have a feeling that this episode used more stage blood (of various colors) than was used in all 94 preceding episodes combined? May seemed a bit pissed off when she made the comment about Fitz and robots. Is she harboring more resentment toward Fitz than she let on at the end of the fourth season finale, or is she simply upset over his "ancient has-been" comment? We are about 1/3 of the way through the season (or will be by the second commercial break of the next episode). At this time in the first season, the two characters with the most dialogue were Coulson and Daisy (actually Skye then). At this time in the second season, it was Coulson and Skye. At this time in the third season, it was Coulson and, well, she was now Daisy. In the fourth season, it was Coulson and guess who? Gotcha, it was Fitz . So far in the fifth season, the two characters with the most dialogue are Deke and Kasius even though each of them were in only five of the seven episodes. The show is still called " Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.." However, not only is S.H.I.E.L.D. is kaput, but the show is not even focusing on the agents. I sort of understand the emphasis on Kasius. Heroes need villains to challenge them. While the MCU as a whole is criticized for weak and underdeveloped villains, this overlooked corner of the MCU gave us Raina, Ward, Garrett, Cal (if you call him a villain), Jiaying, and AIDA/Madame Hydra/Ophelia. Kasius and Sinara have the potential to join this group. As noted above, the show has been doing a good job in developing them. I just believe that at least one hero should have more focus than what the villain gets. Actually, one character is getting more attention, and that person is Deke. I know that he has been the primary source of exposition, which is a great method of accumulating dialogue, but does he really need twice as much dialogue as Simmons, nearly three times as much as Elena, and over four times as much as May? Of course, May has never been particularly talkative. Over the last three episodes, the Vicar had more dialogue than May had, and he was in only two of those episodes. I feel like Coulson hasn't had that much dialog at all (compared to his average) this season, and that he had the most dialog in 5x04 because of his conversation with Deke. Especially in the pre-shockey shockey scenes in Grill's Salvage when Elena was telling her story, he was *very* quiet... although, he had other things to focus on, like say, directing the episode... |
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Post by beren44 on Jan 19, 2018 4:42:53 GMT
Let's not forget Quinn, Malick and Hive for pretty well developed villains. I may have to throw Malick and Raina in with Cal, though...all villains-turned-good-in-the-end. And Cal is still kicking. (I pointedly left out The Superior as a 'well developed villian'.) Can Cal still count though? As far as we know, his 'Magical Place' programming is holding. But, you know, after Coulson's experience in the FW, they may want to check on him... I think you are agreeing with me...I don't count Cal as a bad guy. Actually he flipped out because his daughter was stolen from him and he had a psycho wife, but other than that he was a pretty decent person, ya know? |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jan 19, 2018 5:33:32 GMT
Can Cal still count though? As far as we know, his 'Magical Place' programming is holding. But, you know, after Coulson's experience in the FW, they may want to check on him... I think you are agreeing with me...I don't count Cal as a bad guy. Actually he flipped out because his daughter was stolen from him and he had a psycho wife, but other than that he was a pretty decent person, ya know? I am agreeing with you. I'm just asking if he still counts as a party that could be reintegrated back into the story as the chaotic good antagonist that he was? |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jan 19, 2018 7:06:49 GMT
koos said, Yes that line caught me full on. I think there has to be some significance (to be revealed shortly). Sure he'd not talking about the multiverse now that he's aware of it? With infinite timelines and realities, nothing is impossible. It was established early on that there were a bunch of modifications made (for instance to the HVAC to make it a life-support system), so there was a lot of prep before the disaster. I still think the gravitonium would have had to be there pre-disaster, since there's nothing that indicates the Lighthouse could have survived in a zero gee environment. (For instance, water and food handlling.) That's why I think it'd be cool to see the prep Robin/Hunter and the rest did to the Lighthouse prior to Earth's destruction. |
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Post by koos on Jan 19, 2018 10:35:22 GMT
I still think the gravitonium would have had to be there pre-disaster, since there's nothing that indicates the Lighthouse could have survived in a zero gee environment. (For instance, water and food handlling.) That's why I think it'd be cool to see the prep Robin/Hunter and the rest did to the Lighthouse prior to Earth's destruction. Yeah, I agree. I also think that the gravitonium was brought there pre-destruction for the same reason. But by whom? There is a portal that brings them to the future. Might have been used before. In the other direction. Maybe the place was build by people from the future, knowing what will happen. So much is still unknown. |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 19, 2018 13:23:04 GMT
Lots and lots of questions remaining. Another one is the identity of the two masked helpers Robin has. I see three possible reasons to have their faces hidden:
1. They are people we would know, or at least one is, and they want to have a big reveal (top three candidates - Hunter, Bobbi, Deke's father).
2. Aliens, possibly even Kree, and again they want the big reveal.
3. They are played by well known actors and the masks were so they could have body doubles and not pay the bigger name for an extra episode.
Actually, 3 is a bit less likely because the bigger name probably would have appeared in the preview. The most blatant example of this was in the show Chuck when Chuck's father was revealed. Chuck tracked him to a cabin, knocked on the door, the door opens but you can't see the person, and Chuck says, 'Dad?'. Then the preview starts a second later with Scott Bacula standing in that doorway.
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Post by aquaangel on Jan 19, 2018 13:34:48 GMT
Lots and lots of questions remaining. Another one is the identity of the two masked helpers Robin has. I see three possible reasons to have their faces hidden: 1. They are people we would know, or at least one is, and they want to have a big reveal (top three candidates - Hunter, Bobbi, Deke's father). 2. Aliens, possibly even Kree, and again they want the big reveal. 3. They are played by well known actors and the masks were so they could have body doubles and not pay the bigger name for an extra episode. Actually, 3 is a bit less likely because the bigger name probably would have appeared in the preview. The most blatant example of this was in the show Chuck when Chuck's father was revealed. Chuck tracked him to a cabin, knocked on the door, the door opens but you can't see the person, and Chuck says, 'Dad?'. Then the preview starts a second later with Scott Bacula standing in that doorway. Well, we still don't know what character Dove Cameron is supposed to be playing, so one could be her. One almost has to be Deke's dad because Deke heard his voice on that recording. |
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