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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 8, 2017 17:31:20 GMT
Disney doesn't buy properties just to kill them. With TCF comes production teams, studios, etc. They'll admittedly exploit the property, but that's what they do as a media company. Marvel has successfully pitted the X-Men vs. the Avengers, like forever in the comics. At this point, given the success Marvel has had, I'd have a hard time believing they'd screw it up. (They successfully reintegrated Spider-Man with ease...) Oh I'm not worried that they'd kill it off or something. I'm only really worried about two possibilities: 1. That the new huge company would end up putting out less films in total. If they have specific execs or departments they want to be part of all the Marvel films then it could lead to less output. Though this concern is somewhat less today than it was a few years ago given the number of films they're already producing for the MCU. So maybe this isn't a big concern. I don't think it'll become a huge company in the same way I think you're thinking.  I'm pretty sure TCF will stay TCF, the same way Pixar stayed Pixar and Marvel stayed Marvel. If anything, Touchstone gets absorbed into TCF. Disney wouldn't want to dilute their brand. For instance, you're not going to find an "R" rated movie under the Disney brand, but it would be no problem under the TCF brand, which currently has it's own franchises. (Planet of the Apes and Kingsman, neither of which would make a good fit with Tinkerbell flying over the castle at the start of the movie...) Well, you already lost on the Avengers card thing, since all the Guardians just got sucked up... (I still really need to see a Stark/Rocket scene. Maybe Cap and Stark talking with Groot with Rocket translating...) I really don't think Feige will have a BvS moment and try to wedge the X-Men or the FF into someone else's movie. They really do need their own origin story. They might even stay under the TCF label, but belong to the MCU, complete with crossovers just like Spiderman. Except now, they'd be free to use a few dozen new characters within the entire MCU. It took 3 years from the time Disney acquired Lucasfilm until they released Ep VII. Should it become official next week, we're probably looking at 2020 or perhaps sooner, since the Marvel universe is already established. And infrequent crossovers? The world of superheroes seems to be pretty small... |
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Post by haxemon on Dec 8, 2017 18:20:31 GMT
I'm still working through Arrow and haven't touched anything after that (so no spoilers please - yes I know I'm YEARS behind). I'm just not a fan of that approach in general. Not saying it can't work but I'd rather see two distinct "universes" in general and if they want to come up with some one-off reason to cross over then great.Anyway, we shall see what happens I suppose. Well, yeah, that was pretty much my point. Supergirl has done a few crossovers with the Arrowverse, but is otherwise still in its own universe that doesn't really share any of the themes the other shows deal with. Ah okay. Between me not being up to date on the Arrowverse and sort of skimming your earlier comment to avoid any spoilers I wasn't following you. But yeah, if they do get the rights to the X-Men (in any way) then that's the approach I'd probably rather see. Let them stand alone for the most part but have options for crossover events. (Remember when crossovers were actually "events" and not just every damn issue of every damn title? And get those dang kids off my lawn!!!) |
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Post by haxemon on Dec 8, 2017 18:32:56 GMT
I don't think it'll become a huge company in the same way I think you're thinking. I'm pretty sure TCF will stay TCF, the same way Pixar stayed Pixar and Marvel stayed Marvel. If anything, Touchstone gets absorbed into TCF. Disney wouldn't want to dilute their brand. For instance, you're not going to find an "R" rated movie under the Disney brand, but it would be no problem under the TCF brand, which currently has it's own franchises. (Planet of the Apes and Kingsman, neither of which would make a good fit with Tinkerbell flying over the castle at the start of the movie...) All good points! Well, you already lost on the Avengers card thing, since all the Guardians just got sucked up... (I still really need to see a Stark/Rocket scene. Maybe Cap and Stark talking with Groot with Rocket translating...) I really don't think Feige will have a BvS moment and try to wedge the X-Men or the FF into someone else's movie. They really do need their own origin story. They might even stay under the TCF label, but belong to the MCU, complete with crossovers just like Spiderman. Except now, they'd be free to use a few dozen new characters within the entire MCU. I think GOTG will work fine since they're always going to have "galaxy" in their name. They're not going to become Avengers. We could see some Avenger join them or even one of them become an Avenger but the entities should stay separate which is all that I really would want. I have a bit of an issue with some characters being Avengers on anything but a one-off (team-up) basis. Spider-Man and Wolverine mostly as I really think both characters need to be loners with Wolverine's only exception being working with the X-Men for periods of time. It took 3 years from the time Disney acquired Lucasfilm until they released Ep VII. Should it become official next week, we're probably looking at 2020 or perhaps sooner, since the Marvel universe is already established. And infrequent crossovers? The world of superheroes seems to be pretty small... Yeah I just don't want crossovers to take focus away from individuals or specific teams. Everything in the MCU so far has worked (so why am I worried right?) but I hope they continue to allow for isolated stories. I'm always happy to follow up those films and help answer fan questions about "yeah but where was so-and-so??" The best part of this sort of thing actually is the rogue gallery. Bringing Magneto into the MCU as a potential villain is great of course (or AvX in some way) but having the FF rogue gallery is even more exciting to me. And I'd love to see Secret Wars on film. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 12, 2017 9:38:52 GMT
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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 14, 2017 15:30:22 GMT
Just a quick note. It's a done deal.
Google Disney, 21st century fox and read it from your favorite source.
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Post by ayanami on Dec 15, 2017 14:20:44 GMT
Just a quick note. It's a done deal. Google Disney, 21st century fox and read it from your favorite source. With all that Avengers/X-Men/FF crossover talk, I really think we've been setting the scope too narrow. There is so much more to Fox' assets. How about a Disney sponsored Firefly revival? Plus, this is true now:  And last but not least, I kind of want the Star Wars movies to be distributed under the Fox brand again. (I know, not gonna happen, but still...) Because in my mind, the Fox fanfare and the Star Wars opening theme will forever be linked together. |
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Post by haxemon on Dec 15, 2017 18:47:49 GMT
So here's my hope for how this plays out:
First off, I hope Disney either continues with a Fox brand or comes up with a new one to replace it. That brand should continue to carry the X-Men, Deadpool etc. Let it stay edgy (or downright violent, Mr Pool) and on its own for the most part. I'm talking where casual popcorn munchers don't even realize that Disney owns them now.
Secondly, get the FF rebooted ASAP. Well, take the necessary time to do it right of course, but introduce them into the MCU properly. I really need to see Reed and Tony interact or Thing sparring with Hulk etc. Plus a proper take on Doom (just forget that he and Reed were classmates - give me the Latvarian despot) as a potential Avengers villain as well as just the FF. The FF rogues gallery is the best part of this IMO.
Third, let's start planning for a Secret Wars crossover. Keep both universes separate but they can meet with this storyline. Might even be a way to introduce the FF if they wanted to - i.e. somehow they end up back in the MCU at the end instead of the FoxCU or something. This could even be used for a very selective set of characters that shift one way or the other. Thinking the Maximoff twins or even Magneto could be reunited in the MCU or maybe Beast joins the Avengers etc.
But just don't try to make one super-massive MCU with everyone as I can't see that working out.
Lastly, please don't spread all of the non-film stuff across 100 different services. I'll happily sign up for Disney's Netflix if it has everything. I'd keep Netflix probably, but I don't want to have to sign up to Hulu, Crave, DisneyFlix, FoxFlix, FlixFlix etc. etc. just to get all my Marvel. Partner with Netflix for all of it or do your own thing Disney, but keep it simple please.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 13, 2018 3:22:55 GMT
Quick update.
The AT&T/Time Warner merger just got approved.
Next up is the Disney/Fox buyout. Hopefully Fox respects Disney's early entry into the game, since Comcast has decided to go back in.
The two mergers are not exactly the same (the ATT/TW was a vertical merge, the Dis/Fox will be a horizontal merger), but this decision should still make things a bit easier.
Deadpool, meet Woody and Buzz. HAhahahaha...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 20, 2018 20:24:04 GMT
I really hate Comcast...
Let's sum up if you haven't been following.
Disney offers $53 billion for the assets Fox wishes to sell. Comcast says they will not match and is out of the bidding.
Everyone waits for the AT&T/Time Warner merger to be approved.
In the meantime, Comcast gets the okay from the UK regulators to buy the 60% of Sky not owned by Fox. (Fox owns something like 40% of Sky). Comcast wants all of Sky, and last week decides to put in a $65B bid for Fox.
Disney comes back today and sez eff-you with a $71.3B offer. It's been accepted by Fox, but Comcast could still up their bid. However, that would put Comcast in a mountain of debt. (Over $175B, more than Comcast is worth.)
This shoulda been finished a couple months ago. I think Disney will succeed in the acquisition, it really want's Fox's assets for their new streaming service, it's just getting more expensive...
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 22, 2018 13:29:33 GMT
This is interesting... From the article: |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jun 22, 2018 16:08:09 GMT
I really hate Comcast...
Let's sum up if you haven't been following.
Disney offers $53 billion for the assets Fox wishes to sell. Comcast says they will not match and is out of the bidding.
Everyone waits for the AT&T/Time Warner merger to be approved.
In the meantime, Comcast gets the okay from the UK regulators to buy the 60% of Sky not owned by Fox. (Fox owns something like 40% of Sky). Comcast wants all of Sky, and last week decides to put in a $65B bid for Fox.
Disney comes back today and sez eff-you with a $71.3B offer. It's been accepted by Fox, but Comcast could still up their bid. However, that would put Comcast in a mountain of debt. (Over $175B, more than Comcast is worth.)
This shoulda been finished a couple months ago. I think Disney will succeed in the acquisition, it really want's Fox's assets for their new streaming service, it's just getting more expensive...
I literally know no one who has Comcast. Maybe Comcast isn't a thing here or if it is, it loses out to DirecTV or AT&T. All I do know is that people make fun of Comcast and that it has a super bad reputation. |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 22, 2018 17:03:25 GMT
I really hate Comcast...
Let's sum up if you haven't been following.
Disney offers $53 billion for the assets Fox wishes to sell. Comcast says they will not match and is out of the bidding.
Everyone waits for the AT&T/Time Warner merger to be approved.
In the meantime, Comcast gets the okay from the UK regulators to buy the 60% of Sky not owned by Fox. (Fox owns something like 40% of Sky). Comcast wants all of Sky, and last week decides to put in a $65B bid for Fox.
Disney comes back today and sez eff-you with a $71.3B offer. It's been accepted by Fox, but Comcast could still up their bid. However, that would put Comcast in a mountain of debt. (Over $175B, more than Comcast is worth.)
This shoulda been finished a couple months ago. I think Disney will succeed in the acquisition, it really want's Fox's assets for their new streaming service, it's just getting more expensive...
I literally know no one who has Comcast. Maybe Comcast isn't a thing here or if it is, it loses out to DirecTV or AT&T. All I do know is that people make fun of Comcast and that it has a super bad reputation. Comcast does have a share of the cable market, but they also own Universal and NBC, so they're a bit bigger than you might imagine... |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Jun 22, 2018 18:05:57 GMT
I literally know no one who has Comcast. Maybe Comcast isn't a thing here or if it is, it loses out to DirecTV or AT&T. All I do know is that people make fun of Comcast and that it has a super bad reputation. Comcast does have a share of the cable market, but they also own Universal and NBC, so they're a bit bigger than you might imagine... You know, we almost need a map to keep "who owns what" straight because I did know they owned major companies, I just didn't know what. Still, I think of Comcast as a utility company because I always hear it associated with TV and internet services. Though, none that anyone I know use. It's either DirecTV AT&T U-Verse (ironically owned by DirecTV) or Charter for TV and AT&T for internet 90% of time. |
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Post by aquaangel on Jun 22, 2018 18:15:25 GMT
My grandma used to have Comcast and it was terrible. The picture/show would go off and a "press ok to watch tv" would come up. Pressing okay did get it back, but she called them out there to fix it. It did it multiple times after they supposedly fixed it. That's not the only thing, she had the bundle and her phone line would go screwy all the time, she called them out for that too. They took forever to get there, sometimes didn't show at all. Their customer service was horrible. She ended up switching to direct.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Jun 27, 2018 21:07:19 GMT
Done deal! Maybe this'll prompt Disney to dump ESPN and actually become really profitable. |
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I'm pretty sure TCF will stay TCF, the same way Pixar stayed Pixar and Marvel stayed Marvel. If anything, Touchstone gets absorbed into TCF. Disney wouldn't want to dilute their brand. For instance, you're not going to find an "R" rated movie under the Disney brand, but it would be no problem under the TCF brand, which currently has it's own franchises. (Planet of the Apes and Kingsman, neither of which would make a good fit with Tinkerbell flying over the castle at the start of the movie...)
I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 