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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Nov 6, 2017 21:36:29 GMT
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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 6, 2017 23:47:09 GMT
Update. A deal could be announced next week. X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool in the MCU? (I admit I'm not a DECU fan, but I do have pity...) Merry Christmas. Ho-ho-ho...
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Post by DoTheMath on Dec 7, 2017 1:09:19 GMT
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Post by haxemon on Dec 7, 2017 2:15:07 GMT
Not sure this is actually good news folks. Right now we have two studios competing with each other to put out films. If Disney owned the lot of it we probably get less films in total.
I'd much rather see them just get the FF rights and let Fox keep on keepin' on with the X-films. Or if not that then at least some sort of DOJ ruling that they have to run Fox films independently or something.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 7, 2017 7:55:02 GMT
Not sure this is actually good news folks. Right now we have two studios competing with each other to put out films. If Disney owned the lot of it we probably get less films in total. History says you are wrong. Pixar and Marvel essentially doubled their output under Disney, and Lucasfilm is putting out more films in three years than Lucas did in a decade. (Two decades?) I suspect that Disney may keep the Fox name to release their (more) adult titles like Deadpool and other features like Apes/Kingsman (much like an even more adult Touchstone), but the Marvel properties will come home to Marvel. Feige probably touched himself last night over the prospect. They're probably planning Phase 6 right now.
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Post by haxemon on Dec 7, 2017 14:53:19 GMT
Not sure this is actually good news folks. Right now we have two studios competing with each other to put out films. If Disney owned the lot of it we probably get less films in total. History says you are wrong. Pixar and Marvel essentially doubled their output under Disney, and Lucasfilm is putting out more films in three years than Lucas did in a decade. (Two decades?) I suspect that Disney may keep the Fox name to release their (more) adult titles like Deadpool and other features like Apes/Kingsman (much like an even more adult Touchstone), but the Marvel properties will come home to Marvel. Feige probably touched himself last night over the prospect. They're probably planning Phase 6 right now. I hope you're right. I mean, if it's really just behind the scenes and we still essentially get the same number of films (the market will bear it you'd assume) then great. Allow them to allocate characters better and do the occasional crossover even etc. But I worry that it could literally be a monopoly or that they'll think they need to just cram everyone into the MCU including the X-men which I just don't think would work as a full-time thing.
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Post by ayanami on Dec 7, 2017 16:02:38 GMT
History says you are wrong. Pixar and Marvel essentially doubled their output under Disney, and Lucasfilm is putting out more films in three years than Lucas did in a decade. (Two decades?) I suspect that Disney may keep the Fox name to release their (more) adult titles like Deadpool and other features like Apes/Kingsman (much like an even more adult Touchstone), but the Marvel properties will come home to Marvel. Feige probably touched himself last night over the prospect. They're probably planning Phase 6 right now. I hope you're right. I mean, if it's really just behind the scenes and we still essentially get the same number of films (the market will bear it you'd assume) then great. Allow them to allocate characters better and do the occasional crossover even etc. But I worry that it could literally be a monopoly or that they'll think they need to just cram everyone into the MCU including the X-men which I just don't think would work as a full-time thing. Well, they could always go the Arrowverse route and use alternative realities to have the characters crossover.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Dec 7, 2017 16:36:00 GMT
My question in all this is at what point will Disney have to cut out acquiring everything it can get it's gloved hands on before the anti-monopoly laws kick in?
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Post by haxemon on Dec 7, 2017 16:50:10 GMT
Well, they could always go the Arrowverse route and use alternative realities to have the characters crossover. Ugh. I'm still on season 2 of Arrow so probably shouldn't comment, but I really don't want to see a complicated set of alternate universes or realities. Two would be enough. MCU and XCU or something and then if they decide to do a Secret Wars or AvX storyline they can have Hank McCoy or Reed Richards find a way between them or something.
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Post by ayanami on Dec 7, 2017 17:45:57 GMT
Well, they could always go the Arrowverse route and use alternative realities to have the characters crossover. Ugh. I'm still on season 2 of Arrow so probably shouldn't comment, but I really don't want to see a complicated set of alternate universes or realities. Two would be enough. MCU and XCU or something and then if they decide to do a Secret Wars or AvX storyline they can have Hank McCoy or Reed Richards find a way between them or something. Well, The Flash repeatedly uses alternative realities as major plot points, but I'm specifically referring to what they did with Supergirl here. Since that show didn't start on The CW, she wasn't initially part of the Arrowverse. They threw in an easter egg during S2 of The Flash, when Barry travelled to another Earth, and there were some flashing images from other realities, one of them including Supergirl, thus hinting that her world was just another Earth set in the multiverse. After Supergirl switched networks going into S2, Barry accidentally travelled to that reality at one point, and a permanent crossover possibility was established. Now, Supergirl is for all accounts and purposes still an independent show, that shares very little with the other three Arrowverse shows in general. I mean, barely a week goes by that those three don't reference each other in some way! Yet the possibility to connect the storylines and characters is there and as the two four-way crossovers they already did prove, also gets used. Something similar might work for the MCU and the X-Men and FF universes. Although, to be honest, I wouldn't mind if they just keep things separated at this point. Bringing the FF into the MCU I could see without problem, but the mutants?? Nah!
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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 7, 2017 18:48:20 GMT
History says you are wrong. Pixar and Marvel essentially doubled their output under Disney, and Lucasfilm is putting out more films in three years than Lucas did in a decade. (Two decades?) I suspect that Disney may keep the Fox name to release their (more) adult titles like Deadpool and other features like Apes/Kingsman (much like an even more adult Touchstone), but the Marvel properties will come home to Marvel. Feige probably touched himself last night over the prospect. They're probably planning Phase 6 right now. I hope you're right. I mean, if it's really just behind the scenes and we still essentially get the same number of films (the market will bear it you'd assume) then great. Allow them to allocate characters better and do the occasional crossover even etc. But I worry that it could literally be a monopoly or that they'll think they need to just cram everyone into the MCU including the X-men which I just don't think would work as a full-time thing. Disney doesn't buy properties just to kill them. With TCF comes production teams, studios, etc. They'll admittedly exploit the property, but that's what they do as a media company. Marvel has successfully pitted the X-Men vs. the Avengers, like forever in the comics. At this point, given the success Marvel has had, I'd have a hard time believing they'd screw it up. (They successfully reintegrated Spider-Man with ease...)
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Post by backroadjunkie on Dec 7, 2017 18:58:53 GMT
My question in all this is at what point will Disney have to cut out acquiring everything it can get it's gloved hands on before the anti-monopoly laws kick in? After the Feds go after Comcast. (Remember that just over a decade ago, Comcast tried to buy Disney.) And if the AT&T/Time-Warner merger goes through, both Comcast (which includes Xfinity and NBC/Universal) and AT&T/Time-Warner (Uverse/DirecTV and Warner Brothers) will be larger than Disney. Disney just happens to be more successful in just about every corner of the media world, which does not involve any monopoly laws. The actually question should be at what point does Disney saturate their own market. I believe between Disney Animation/Studios, Pixar, Lucasfilm and Marvel, they are close to releasing one MAJOR blockbuster every six weeks or so. The addition of TWC could make that one per month...
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Post by haxemon on Dec 8, 2017 14:04:00 GMT
I'm still working through Arrow and haven't touched anything after that (so no spoilers please - yes I know I'm YEARS behind). I'm just not a fan of that approach in general. Not saying it can't work but I'd rather see two distinct "universes" in general and if they want to come up with some one-off reason to cross over then great. Anyway, we shall see what happens I suppose.
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Post by haxemon on Dec 8, 2017 14:10:42 GMT
Disney doesn't buy properties just to kill them. With TCF comes production teams, studios, etc. They'll admittedly exploit the property, but that's what they do as a media company. Marvel has successfully pitted the X-Men vs. the Avengers, like forever in the comics. At this point, given the success Marvel has had, I'd have a hard time believing they'd screw it up. (They successfully reintegrated Spider-Man with ease...) Oh I'm not worried that they'd kill it off or something. I'm only really worried about two possibilities: 1. That the new huge company would end up putting out less films in total. If they have specific execs or departments they want to be part of all the Marvel films then it could lead to less output. Though this concern is somewhat less today than it was a few years ago given the number of films they're already producing for the MCU. So maybe this isn't a big concern. 2. My bigger concern is that they might think they *need* to quickly wedge the X-Men into the MCU and make them the focus. They handled Spider-Man fairly well so again maybe I don't need to worry, but I don't wan to see Wolverine get an Avengers card. Everyone seems to have one in the comics and it's a bit silly. Having Beast end up joining or doing something that makes sense is fine of course, I just don't want anything taken away from the current MCU or have characters pushed to the background. There are clearly a ton of great stories they could tell and a huge history to pull from - and if they do it as a slow burn over decades then great. I just worry some exec somewhere will decide they need to put out AvX in 2021 and rush to the finish line. I'd rather see them keep the XCU separate and do a couple of strategic crossovers as infrequent events. Or if they want to try one big happy MCU with everyone then keep the massive crossovers to a minimum so they mean something. But yeah, seeing Reed Richards interact with Tony Stark or seeing Ben Grimm spar with the Hulk would be awesome.
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Post by ayanami on Dec 8, 2017 14:24:33 GMT
I'm still working through Arrow and haven't touched anything after that (so no spoilers please - yes I know I'm YEARS behind). I'm just not a fan of that approach in general. Not saying it can't work but I'd rather see two distinct "universes" in general and if they want to come up with some one-off reason to cross over then great.Anyway, we shall see what happens I suppose. Well, yeah, that was pretty much my point. Supergirl has done a few crossovers with the Arrowverse, but is otherwise still in its own universe that doesn't really share any of the themes the other shows deal with.
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