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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 5, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
Yes, be it comedy, drama, or sci-fi, or in this case all three, there always has to be an episode where someone with no parenting experience has to deal with kids. This time it's Isaac with the doctor's two bratty kids. There were also the standard medical tropes - a person does not go back to 100% instantly after a dislocated joint is popped back into place and if the doctor was knocked out in the crash it would likely come with some serious head trauma. Naturally she states she is a single mother by choice (probably supposed to portray 'female empowerment'). With Isaac being good with the kids now and interested in studying human behavior, I won't be surprised if the doctor soon finds out that he is
To be clear, the kids being unenjoyable is a credit to the two young actors rather than a criticism. It was definitely the way they were written and I even went to check to see if the two were really brothers (they aren't). On the good side, someone finally had the brains to put seatbelts in the shuttle, even if they only wear them if they see a crash in imminent. I saw several reviews written on IMDb saying the doctor could have just locked the guy keeping her prisoner in the room where she was held, but he clearly was wearing the key around his neck. The motivation for saving her then keeping her prisoner was never really stated, but I'm sure it had to do with her becoming his mate. |
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Post by ayanami on Nov 5, 2017 21:34:14 GMT
Yes, be it comedy, drama, or sci-fi, or in this case all three, there always has to be an episode where someone with no parenting experience has to deal with kids. This time it's Isaac with the doctor's two bratty kids. There were also the standard medical tropes - a person does not go back to 100% instantly after a dislocated joint is popped back into place and if the doctor was knocked out in the crash it would likely come with some serious head trauma. Naturally she states she is a single mother by choice (probably supposed to portray 'female empowerment'). With Isaac being good with the kids now and interested in studying human behavior, I won't be surprised if the doctor soon finds out that he is
To be clear, the kids being unenjoyable is a credit to the two young actors rather than a criticism. It was definitely the way they were written and I even went to check to see if the two were really brothers (they aren't). On the good side, someone finally had the brains to put seatbelts in the shuttle, even if they only wear them if they see a crash in imminent. I saw several reviews written on IMDb saying the doctor could have just locked the guy keeping her prisoner in the room where she was held, but he clearly was wearing the key around his neck. The motivation for saving her then keeping her prisoner was never really stated, but I'm sure it had to do with her becoming his mate. Not sure if you've ever seen 10, Cloverfield Lane (if you haven't, you should; it's awesome!!), but that whole subplot seemed highly inspired by that movie imo. Woman wakes up in a sort of bunker, after having been saved from an accident by some guy (John Goodman in the movie), who now won't let her go, because (he says) the world outside is too dangerous after an apocalyptic event happened. Sounds familiar? As for the kids, they were a bit annoying at first - as you said, absolutely intended - but especially the yourger one was totally adorable once they were on the planet and both kids were out of their comfort zone. Their interactions with Isaac were great! Funnily enough, just before I started watching the ep, I thought about which crewmember(s) had had the least amount of screentime yet, and might have their day in the limelight next. Obviously the Doc and Isaac immediately came to mind, but I was surprised that the writers put them together like this for the episode. Well done, though, imo! Gotta say, though, everytime I see another episode of The Orville, I become increasingly glad that Discovery is really doing its own thing, away from the usual Star Trek concept. Otherwise, we'd have basically the same show on TV twice a week. The Orville is just nailing the oldschool ST feeling! |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 5, 2017 23:04:08 GMT
Yes, be it comedy, drama, or sci-fi, or in this case all three, there always has to be an episode where someone with no parenting experience has to deal with kids. This time it's Isaac with the doctor's two bratty kids. There were also the standard medical tropes - a person does not go back to 100% instantly after a dislocated joint is popped back into place and if the doctor was knocked out in the crash it would likely come with some serious head trauma. Naturally she states she is a single mother by choice (probably supposed to portray 'female empowerment'). With Isaac being good with the kids now and interested in studying human behavior, I won't be surprised if the doctor soon finds out that he is
To be clear, the kids being unenjoyable is a credit to the two young actors rather than a criticism. It was definitely the way they were written and I even went to check to see if the two were really brothers (they aren't). On the good side, someone finally had the brains to put seatbelts in the shuttle, even if they only wear them if they see a crash in imminent. I saw several reviews written on IMDb saying the doctor could have just locked the guy keeping her prisoner in the room where she was held, but he clearly was wearing the key around his neck. The motivation for saving her then keeping her prisoner was never really stated, but I'm sure it had to do with her becoming his mate. Not sure if you've ever seen 10, Cloverfield Lane (if you haven't, you should; it's awesome!!), but that whole subplot seemed highly inspired by that movie imo. Woman wakes up in a sort of bunker, after having been saved from an accident by some guy (John Goodman in the movie), who now won't let her go, because (he says) the world outside is too dangerous after an apocalyptic event happened. Sounds familiar? As for the kids, they were a bit annoying at first - as you said, absolutely intended - but especially the yourger one was totally adorable once they were on the planet and both kids were out of their comfort zone. Their interactions with Isaac were great! Funnily enough, just before I started watching the ep, I thought about which crewmember(s) had had the least amount of screentime yet, and might have their day in the limelight next. Obviously the Doc and Isaac immediately came to mind, but I was surprised that the writers put them together like this for the episode. Well done, though, imo! Gotta say, though, everytime I see another episode of The Orville, I become increasingly glad that Discovery is really doing its own thing, away from the usual Star Trek concept. Otherwise, we'd have basically the same show on TV twice a week. The Orville is just nailing the oldschool ST feeling! The only Cloverfield I've seen was about a giant alien monster and done with low quality camcorders like Blair Witch. I know he's done them, but I don't think I've seen any of the movies where John Goodman was an actual bad guy, just ones where he had bad judgement (though none worse than being someone who married Roseanne  ). Good thing you also like the kids because I see them listed for two of the next three episodes. Probably a matter of availability, but it seems a bit contrived to go so long without seeing them to them being around all of the time. |
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Post by ayanami on Nov 5, 2017 23:27:50 GMT
Not sure if you've ever seen 10, Cloverfield Lane (if you haven't, you should; it's awesome!!), but that whole subplot seemed highly inspired by that movie imo. Woman wakes up in a sort of bunker, after having been saved from an accident by some guy (John Goodman in the movie), who now won't let her go, because (he says) the world outside is too dangerous after an apocalyptic event happened. Sounds familiar? As for the kids, they were a bit annoying at first - as you said, absolutely intended - but especially the yourger one was totally adorable once they were on the planet and both kids were out of their comfort zone. Their interactions with Isaac were great! Funnily enough, just before I started watching the ep, I thought about which crewmember(s) had had the least amount of screentime yet, and might have their day in the limelight next. Obviously the Doc and Isaac immediately came to mind, but I was surprised that the writers put them together like this for the episode. Well done, though, imo! Gotta say, though, everytime I see another episode of The Orville, I become increasingly glad that Discovery is really doing its own thing, away from the usual Star Trek concept. Otherwise, we'd have basically the same show on TV twice a week. The Orville is just nailing the oldschool ST feeling! The only Cloverfield I've seen was about a giant alien monster and done with low quality camcorders like Blair Witch. I know he's done them, but I don't think I've seen any of the movies where John Goodman was an actual bad guy, just ones where he had bad judgement (though none worse than being someone who married Roseanne ). Good thing you also like the kids because I see them listed for two of the next three episodes. Probably a matter of availability, but it seems a bit contrived to go so long without seeing them to them being around all of the time. The "Cloverfield" movies are made by the same company. I think the name of the street where their office building is, has the word Cloverfield in it, or something. As for John Goodman in the movie, well, he's certainly strange, but that's kind of the whole premise of the movie. Is he just a psycho who build himself a bunker and now holds a young woman captive, or is he actually saving her life by not letting her leave? As for the kids on The Orville - yeah, their sudden appearance kind of surprised me too. So much so even, that I actually needed a few moments to be convinced that they were actually real, and not some sort of psychic projection, aliens messing with the Doc's head or whatnot. Their total non-existence on the show, previous to the last ep, kind of makes me wonder if they were added later on and weren't originally planned. |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 6, 2017 0:03:10 GMT
The only Cloverfield I've seen was about a giant alien monster and done with low quality camcorders like Blair Witch. I know he's done them, but I don't think I've seen any of the movies where John Goodman was an actual bad guy, just ones where he had bad judgement (though none worse than being someone who married Roseanne ). Good thing you also like the kids because I see them listed for two of the next three episodes. Probably a matter of availability, but it seems a bit contrived to go so long without seeing them to them being around all of the time. The "Cloverfield" movies are made by the same company. I think the name of the street where their office building is, has the word Cloverfield in it, or something. As for John Goodman in the movie, well, he's certainly strange, but that's kind of the whole premise of the movie. Is he just a psycho who build himself a bunker and now holds a young woman captive, or is he actually saving her life by not letting her leave? As for the kids on The Orville - yeah, their sudden appearance kind of surprised me too. So much so even, that I actually needed a few moments to be convinced that they were actually real, and not some sort of psychic projection, aliens messing with the Doc's head or whatnot. Their total non-existence on the show, previous to the last ep, kind of makes me wonder if they were added later on and weren't originally planned. The plot sounds a bit similar to a movie with Christina Ricci and Liam Neeson (yes, who has been on Orville) called After.Life where he's a mortician trying to convince her that she was dead and that the whole interaction was part of her afterlife where she would stay with him while he prepared her body for the funeral and would only move on after her body was buried. I only made it about halfway through, but the point was for the viewer not to be able to tell whether she was really dead or not, but if she was dead then they had some plotholes that you could drive a truck through. As for the kids, the age of PJJ certainly supports them being added on. While it does happen, I'm guessing even in the future of the show it's rare for a woman to birth a child in her late 40's. On one hand that might support what she said about wanting kids but not being able to find a man, but if that was the case I'd expect them to be closer together in age. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Nov 8, 2017 1:22:49 GMT
Yes, be it comedy, drama, or sci-fi, or in this case all three, there always has to be an episode where someone with no parenting experience has to deal with kids. This time it's Isaac with the doctor's two bratty kids. There were also the standard medical tropes - a person does not go back to 100% instantly after a dislocated joint is popped back into place and if the doctor was knocked out in the crash it would likely come with some serious head trauma. Naturally she states she is a single mother by choice (probably supposed to portray 'female empowerment'). With Isaac being good with the kids now and interested in studying human behavior, I won't be surprised if the doctor soon finds out that he is
To be clear, the kids being unenjoyable is a credit to the two young actors rather than a criticism. It was definitely the way they were written and I even went to check to see if the two were really brothers (they aren't). On the good side, someone finally had the brains to put seatbelts in the shuttle, even if they only wear them if they see a crash in imminent. I saw several reviews written on IMDb saying the doctor could have just locked the guy keeping her prisoner in the room where she was held, but he clearly was wearing the key around his neck. The motivation for saving her then keeping her prisoner was never really stated, but I'm sure it had to do with her becoming his mate. Not sure if you've ever seen 10, Cloverfield Lane (if you haven't, you should; it's awesome!!), but that whole subplot seemed highly inspired by that movie imo. Woman wakes up in a sort of bunker, after having been saved from an accident by some guy (John Goodman in the movie), who now won't let her go, because (he says) the world outside is too dangerous after an apocalyptic event happened. Sounds familiar? As for the kids, they were a bit annoying at first - as you said, absolutely intended - but especially the yourger one was totally adorable once they were on the planet and both kids were out of their comfort zone. Their interactions with Isaac were great! Funnily enough, just before I started watching the ep, I thought about which crewmember(s) had had the least amount of screentime yet, and might have their day in the limelight next. Obviously the Doc and Isaac immediately came to mind, but I was surprised that the writers put them together like this for the episode. Well done, though, imo! Gotta say, though, everytime I see another episode of The Orville, I become increasingly glad that Discovery is really doing its own thing, away from the usual Star Trek concept. Otherwise, we'd have basically the same show on TV twice a week. The Orville is just nailing the oldschool ST feeling! Sorry to interrupt this conversation, especially since I'm not really a part of it. Just wanted to take an opportunity to tell you: My grandpa lived three doors down from John Goodman when they were kids. They weren't 'friends' by any stretch of the word, but they were mutual acquaintances. My grandpa once fixed Goodman's car (technically his mom's car) for two cartons of cigarettes when he was 17. EDIT: Also that and Sir Patrick Stewart's movie The Green Room are two movies I WILL NOT see (willingly). |
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