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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Nov 3, 2017 23:56:30 GMT
You Can't Track "Black" is an old but not outdated article that sheds some light on the way that Box Office projections are missed for certain types of movies. With The Black Panther being the most prominent MCU product next up I am very curious how well BP will do both domestically and World-Wide. One curious aspect of the International movie marketplace is the sheer lack of any movie presence on the continent of Africa. Given the social political state of affairs for most of the countries in Africa movies are quite low in terms of needs and wants. A very strange but telling contrast to the fictional kingdom of Wakanda. I remember when Roots premiered in the USA and the huge unanticipated TV audience for the series. Impact of "Roots"Roots within the USA enjoyed a TV Nielsen share that has been almost unsurpassed to this day. I am not suggesting that Black Panther is the equivalent to Roots in potential societal impact but I anticipate that there could be a renewed awareness of an unserved market based on the viability of a product which features an all black cast. The other dynamic is that few dollars from the continent of Africa will contribute to the potential growth of the product. Of course that is true for most Western media and Africa. Hollywood blockbusters today are dependent on NON-USA markets for a greater percentage of the total dollars to determine "Hit" status and clearly to join the Billion dollar club. I'd like to see BP join the Billion Dollar club based on it being an excellent well acted film and NOT because it has a Black Director or a predominant Black cast that allegedly appears to serve a black audience. The box-office tracking for BP will be very interesting based on advance ticket sales. There is a floor for MCU movies at ~400 and for BP there might very well be a similar amount as a ceiling, ~600 Million, worldwide. Excelsior!
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Post by DoTheMath on Nov 4, 2017 17:09:34 GMT
You Can't Track "Black" is an old but not outdated article that sheds some light on the way that Box Office projections are missed for certain types of movies. With The Black Panther being the most prominent MCU product next up I am very curious how well BP will do both domestically and World-Wide. One curious aspect of the International movie marketplace is the sheer lack of any movie presence on the continent of Africa. Given the social political state of affairs for most of the countries in Africa movies are quite low in terms of needs and wants. A very strange but telling contrast to the fictional kingdom of Wakanda. I remember when Roots premiered in the USA and the huge unanticipated TV audience for the series. Impact of "Roots"Roots within the USA enjoyed a TV Nielsen share that has been almost unsurpassed to this day. I am not suggesting that Black Panther is the equivalent to Roots in potential societal impact but I anticipate that there could be a renewed awareness of an unserved market based on the viability of a product which features an all black cast. The other dynamic is that few dollars from the continent of Africa will contribute to the potential growth of the product. Of course that is true for most Western media and Africa. Hollywood blockbusters today are dependent on NON-USA markets for a greater percentage of the total dollars to determine "Hit" status and clearly to join the Billion dollar club. I'd like to see BP join the Billion Dollar club based on it being an excellent well acted film and NOT because it has a Black Director or a predominant Black cast that allegedly appears to serve a black audience. The box-office tracking for BP will be very interesting based on advance ticket sales. There is a floor for MCU movies at ~400 and for BP there might very well be a similar amount as a ceiling, ~600 Million, worldwide. Excelsior! I know TV and movies are totally different mediums, but considering the popularity of Luke Cage, I doubt BP will suffer. I also agree on Wakanda being a character, as Asgaard is (should be). The locale is as important to the story as the characters. Location of the story impacts the emotional connection to the story as much or more than the characters and threats faced. Here's hoping Wakanda is forever......
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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Nov 4, 2017 17:44:18 GMT
You Can't Track "Black" is an old but not outdated article that sheds some light on the way that Box Office projections are missed for certain types of movies. Roots within the USA enjoyed a TV Nielsen share that has been almost unsurpassed to this day. I am not suggesting that Black Panther is the equivalent to Roots in potential societal impact but I anticipate that there could be a renewed awareness of an unserved market based on the viability of a product which features an all black cast. The other dynamic is that few dollars from the continent of Africa will contribute to the potential growth of the product. Of course that is true for most Western media and Africa. Hollywood blockbusters today are dependent on NON-USA markets for a greater percentage of the total dollars to determine "Hit" status and clearly to join the Billion dollar club. Excelsior! I know TV and movies are totally different mediums, but considering the popularity of Luke Cage, I doubt BP will suffer. I also agree on Wakanda being a character, as Asgaard is (should be). The locale is as important to the story as the characters. Location of the story impacts the emotional connection to the story as much or more than the characters and threats faced. Here's hoping Wakanda is forever...... Netflix doesn't release their numbers so it's hard to tell just how strong Luke Cage was accepted/viewed/received outside of the USA. I'm not so sure if the overseas ratings for Luke Cage weren't 'soft'. I don't think BP will suffer because success is a sliding scale. Additionally I don't think Marvel/Disney is banking on BP doing blockbuster numbers (~800 Million) in order to call the Box Office performance a success.
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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Nov 4, 2017 20:11:23 GMT
I know TV and movies are totally different mediums, but considering the popularity of Luke Cage, I doubt BP will suffer. I also agree on Wakanda being a character, as Asgaard is (should be). The locale is as important to the story as the characters. Location of the story impacts the emotional connection to the story as much or more than the characters and threats faced. Here's hoping Wakanda is forever...... Netflix doesn't release their numbers so it's hard to tell just how strong Luke Cage was accepted/viewed/received outside of the USA. I'm not so sure if the overseas ratings for Luke Cage weren't 'soft'. I don't think BP will suffer because success is a sliding scale. Additionally I don't think Marvel/Disney is banking on BP doing blockbuster numbers (~800 Million) in order to call the Box Office performance a success. Johnny Weismuller? Wow how did you pluck that name out of the ether?!! Johnny Weismuller and I attended the same High School in Chicago, Lane Technical and NO not at the same time. There is a huge mural of him, where else? In the school's pool. Judging by the fact that your post is now invisible (or it disappeared) I'll respond anyway. Tarzan's popularity (box Office) overseas was just about $230 Million with only South Africa contributing $1.2 Million. There may be numbers for other countries but I almost guarantee you that the totals are miniscule and not just because of few theaters. Tarzan is just not that popular with Africans in this day and age and of the blacks/African in the cast? They remain subservient to Bwana.
BP will break, crush, destroy that culturally based colonial stereotype. Marvel/DC is watching very closely how BP will be received and consumed by the general public worldwide. The Marvel Brand alone should get BP to the ~$450 Million mark.
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Post by DoTheMath on Nov 4, 2017 21:35:52 GMT
Netflix doesn't release their numbers so it's hard to tell just how strong Luke Cage was accepted/viewed/received outside of the USA. I'm not so sure if the overseas ratings for Luke Cage weren't 'soft'. I don't think BP will suffer because success is a sliding scale. Additionally I don't think Marvel/Disney is banking on BP doing blockbuster numbers (~800 Million) in order to call the Box Office performance a success. Johnny Weismuller? Wow how did you pluck that name out of the ether?!! Johnny Weismuller and I attended the same High School in Chicago, Lane Technical and NO not at the same time. There is a huge mural of him, where else? In the school's pool. Judging by the fact that your post is now invisible (or it disappeared) I'll respond anyway. Tarzan's popularity (box Office) overseas was just about $230 Million with only South Africa contributing $1.2 Million. There may be numbers for other countries but I almost guarantee you that the totals are miniscule and not just because of few theaters. Tarzan is just not that popular with Africans in this day and age and of the blacks/African in the cast? They remain subservient to Bwana.
BP will break, crush, destroy that culturally based colonial stereotype. Marvel/DC is watching very closely how BP will be received and consumed by the general public worldwide. The Marvel Brand alone should get BP to the ~$450 Million mark.
I deleted the post because I went back and read the referenced thread about the Marvel Netflix shows and saw I hadn't correctly remembered the article. They didn't quantify with percentages they just said which was more popular and under which circumstances...... Meant to come back and re-post but something came up. As for Mr. Weissmuller....... When I think of Tarzan, he is who comes to mind. For me, Johnny Weissmuller will ALWAYS be Tarzan; all others are imposters. My mentions of Tarzan and that of imperial expansion were simply poor examples to justify my belief that the African locale would not negatively affect BPs box office or popularity. Of course there are those here in the U.S. that will be (and probably already are) in a stew due to the fact that BP is a 90 some percent African American cast. That's why I included Luke Cage as justification as well. Hopefully what the franchise loses in bigots, it will gain in black viewers. Regardless, I sincerely doubt that it will be the least profitable movie in the franchise. There's a lot of excitement for it. My concern is the release date. Feb isn't a common release date for Marvel blockbusters and I worry it may suffer because of that. Sandwiched in between Thor (Justice League and Star Wars) and Infinity War, it'll be interesting to see how it does. Edited to add: I wasn't commenting about the box office in Africa, I was commenting on whether the rest of the world will be bothered by the African locale and storyline....... Apologies if I'm not "on the same page"
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Post by ayanami on Feb 23, 2021 23:20:11 GMT
Looks like we picked up a new spammer. Pretty sure that's not the first type of these posts I've seen around. Hey, Jemma Simmons, I think it's time to dust off the good ol' ban hammer!
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Feb 24, 2021 0:16:03 GMT
Looks like we picked up a new spammer. Pretty sure that's not the first type of these posts I've seen around. Hey, Jemma Simmons, I think it's time to dust off the good ol' ban hammer! I fixed it! (You know how much I love wielding the ban hammer!)
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