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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Oct 29, 2017 21:06:18 GMT
So far the MCU is really not utilizing some of their most endearing assets as powerful pieces of Marvel mythology. Wakanda is a place/feature I believe to be important to the character of Black Panther and is part of what defines who he is. Asgard should have been the same for Thor but it has been treated so cavalierly and apparently is a throw-away even for Alien-Norse Gods. I hope Wakanda doesn't get the same treatment and no I don't think such a linkage stunts the growth of a character.
Take the Star Trek series and it's definitive Captain and Crew. The Enterprise's rise, fall and resurrection is almost as important as any human/alien character in the series. Marvel has always had that intimate connection with New York but it has never been exploited much within the MCU. I understand the overall international demand consumption required for audiences to connect with Marvel/MCU but over time some of that connection was created by creating heroes from other places and or expanding the character's presence to other locales.
A bit too soon to destroy Wakanda before it is explored and allowed to let us all enjoy the mythos. Long form story telling should allow that within the MCU but some of these quick turns are disheartening. Stan Lee/Jack Kirby knew what they were doing by establishing their heroes in a real city with the heroes having real problems. Wakanda isn't real but for the Black Panther (just as Asgard was for Thor but just a tad different due to the Norse Mythology) can be a rich entertainment experience nonetheless.
Comeon Marvel/Disney let Wakanda breathe!!!
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Post by ayanami on Oct 29, 2017 22:11:57 GMT
So far the MCU is really not utilizing some of their most endearing assets as powerful pieces of Marvel mythology. Wakanda is a place/feature I believe to be important to the character of Black Panther and is part of what defines who he is. Asgard should have been the same for Thor but it has been treated so cavalierly and apparently is a throw-away even for Alien-Norse Gods. I hope Wakanda doesn't get the same treatment and no I don't think such a linkage stunts the growth of a character. Take the Star Trek series and it's definitive Captain and Crew. The Enterprise's rise, fall and resurrection is almost as important as any human/alien character in the series. Marvel has always had that intimate connection with New York but it has never been exploited much within the MCU. I understand the overall international demand consumption required for audiences to connect with Marvel/MCU but over time some of that connection was created by creating heroes from other places and or expanding the character's presence to other locales. A bit too soon to destroy Wakanda before it is explored and allowed to let us all enjoy the mythos. Long form story telling should allow that within the MCU but some of these quick turns are disheartening. Stan Lee/Jack Kirby knew what they were doing by establishing their heroes in a real city with the heroes having real problems. Wakanda isn't real but for the Black Panther (just as Asgard was for Thor but just a tad different due to the Norse Mythology) can be a rich entertainment experience nonetheless. Comeon Marvel/Disney let Wakanda breathe!!! Ehem, I think The Defenders would like to have words with you about that. |
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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Oct 30, 2017 4:45:11 GMT
Some MCU assets ayanami. Not ALL.
Hell's Kitchen is deservedly special for two reasons. Not only is the location talked about but scenes are actually shot there which is a parallaxing thrill for locals no doubt. I mean Marvel/Disney is actually pumping money into the locale by hiring extras and getting incentives of course but also helping boost the economy by having production there.
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Post by ayanami on Oct 30, 2017 5:22:37 GMT
Some MCU assets ayanami. Not ALL. Hell's Kitchen is deservedly special for two reasons. Not only is the location talked about but scenes are actually shot there which is a parallaxing thrill for locals no doubt. I mean Marvel/Disney is actually pumping money into the locale by hiring extras and getting incentives of course but also helping boost the economy by having production there. It's not only Hells Kitchen, though. That DareDevil's turf, but there are three more solo shows, plus the Defenders team-up. That's plenty of exposition for NY if you ask me. |
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Post by NorrinRaddOfZennla on Oct 30, 2017 22:40:30 GMT
!! Some MCU assets ayanami. Not ALL. Hell's Kitchen is deservedly special for two reasons. Not only is the location talked about but scenes are actually shot there which is a parallaxing thrill for locals no doubt. I mean Marvel/Disney is actually pumping money into the locale by hiring extras and getting incentives of course but also helping boost the economy by having production there. It's not only Hell's Kitchen, though. That DareDevil's turf, but there are three more solo shows, plus the Defenders team-up. That's plenty of exposition for NY if you ask me. Ayanami I couldn't "get" what you were responding to and why you felt I was short-sighting NY. It was this statement by me: Marvel has always had that intimate connection with New York but it has never been exploited much within the MCU. I understand the overall international demand consumption required for audiences to connect with Marvel/MCU but over time some of that connection was created by creating heroes from other places and or expanding the character's presence to other locales. The "IT" I was referring to, and "it" was indeed ambiguous in that rambling sentence was "Some MCU assets". Here is the revised and corrected sentence: Marvel has always had that intimate connection with New York. Some Marvel print assets have never been exploited much within the MCU. I understand the overall international demand consumption required for audiences, (Meaning that some audiences/viewers/readers would like a kinship between Marvel and their own locations.), to connect with Marvel/MCU but over time that connection between Marvel/MCU and those audiences/viewers/readers was created by creating heroes from other places (Canada, UK, Japan, etc) and or expanding the character's presence to other locales, (ie Stark moving to California). Thanks for pointing out my exclusion while I was trying to purposefully recognize Marvel's relationship with the totality of what is NY and the entire genesis that I believe is one part of Marvel's success formulas with some fans. At least for me it was and I live in Chicago, (birth place of one Chloe Wang).
The point remains that I would like Wakanda to have some resonance within the MCU. Assets like the Hellicarrier, SHIELD (probably now SWORD) are more than just props but important parts of what made Marvel and now the MCU special. |
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I'll be spending next weekend with some family I like and trying to avoid any remotely controversial conversations with others that I spend the rest of the year avoiding 