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Post by ayanami on Oct 26, 2017 18:41:02 GMT
Don't get me wrong, the show is really well done and is about a thousand times better than what ABC/Marvel gave us with Inhumans, in terms of "powered people on the run". (Not that that's very hard, but still...) And yet, I don't really find myself looking forward to new episodes. I guess in part it's because of the characters. Marco and Lorna have actually really grown on me since the pilot, but for the most part the show could kill off basically anyone next week and I simply wouldn't care. Yes, that includes the Struckers. What really makes the show pretty 'meh' to me, though, - and I guess that goes in part also for the characters - is that it feels like I have seen all of this a million times before. The X-Men movies (big coincidence, I know!  ), Heroes, the inhumans in AoS and now their own show, and probably a hundred other shows and movies along the way, they all have the same damn plot! Powered people persecuted by the government go/are on the run. Yeah, sure, the focus shifts at times, but the basic premise still feels the same. Note, btw, that I'm not listing Legion here, because, even though the show had the same concept in part, the overall tone, main story, narrative style, etc, were so vastly different that it became something fresh that actually stands out in all these superhero worlds we have today. The Gifted on the other hand, not so much. Tagging Jemma Simmons with the request to move the previous The Gifted threads into the new section. They're here, here and here. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Oct 26, 2017 21:50:57 GMT
Don't get me wrong, the show is really well done and is about a thousand times better than what ABC/Marvel gave us with Inhumans, in terms of "powered people on the run". (Not that that's very hard, but still...) And yet, I don't really find myself looking forward to new episodes. I guess in part it's because of the characters. Marco and Lorna have actually really grown on me since the pilot, but for the most part the show could kill off basically anyone next week and I simply wouldn't care. Yes, that includes the Struckers. What really makes the show pretty 'meh' to me, though, - and I guess that goes in part also for the characters - is that it feels like I have seen all of this a million times before. The X-Men movies (big coincidence, I know! ), Heroes, the inhumans in AoS and now their own show, and probably a hundred other shows and movies along the way, they all have the same damn plot! Powered people persecuted by the government go/are on the run. Yeah, sure, the focus shifts at times, but the basic premise still feels the same. Note, btw, that I'm not listing Legion here, because, even though the show had the same concept in part, the overall tone, main story, narrative style, etc, were so vastly different that it became something fresh that actually stands out in all these superhero worlds we have today. The Gifted on the other hand, not so much. Tagging Jemma Simmons with the request to move the previous The Gifted threads into the new section. They're here, here and here. Sure! No problem!  I'm doing some work online right now and I'll shift everything around when I'm done. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Oct 28, 2017 17:22:56 GMT
Threads moved. |
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Post by ayanami on Oct 28, 2017 19:07:43 GMT
Threads moved. And here I keep expecting topic related replies when I see the thread updated...  |
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Post by ayanami on Oct 28, 2017 19:46:07 GMT
Threads moved. Almost forgot: Thanks! |
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Post by DoTheMath on Oct 30, 2017 1:05:54 GMT
Don't get me wrong, the show is really well done and is about a thousand times better than what ABC/Marvel gave us with Inhumans, in terms of "powered people on the run". (Not that that's very hard, but still...) And yet, I don't really find myself looking forward to new episodes. I guess in part it's because of the characters. Marco and Lorna have actually really grown on me since the pilot, but for the most part the show could kill off basically anyone next week and I simply wouldn't care. Yes, that includes the Struckers. What really makes the show pretty 'meh' to me, though, - and I guess that goes in part also for the characters - is that it feels like I have seen all of this a million times before. The X-Men movies (big coincidence, I know! ), Heroes, the inhumans in AoS and now their own show, and probably a hundred other shows and movies along the way, they all have the same damn plot! Powered people persecuted by the government go/are on the run. Yeah, sure, the focus shifts at times, but the basic premise still feels the same. Note, btw, that I'm not listing Legion here, because, even though the show had the same concept in part, the overall tone, main story, narrative style, etc, were so vastly different that it became something fresh that actually stands out in all these superhero worlds we have today. The Gifted on the other hand, not so much. Tagging Jemma Simmons with the request to move the previous The Gifted threads into the new section. They're here, here and here. I hear ya, and I don't disagree............ except: (and you probably won't like this) In the comics (yeah, I know .... you don't read them) persecution of mutants has ALWAYS been a part of The X-Men....... and probably always will be. Now I'm not a comics junkie, but back when I did read them for a couple years, X-Men was one of my favorites; and, canon is important here. If a show should have gone out of the box to tell their story, it should have been Heroes; it probably would have been better after the first season if it had. Legion is such "it's own thing" that I find myself not thinking too much about X-Men because it's so damn original that even without the X-Men tie-in it stands alone. It's what heroes should have done. Anyways...... you're right. It's a tired premise, but for this show, I wouldn't have it any other way. As long as they keep up the intensity, I'm good. As for emotional connection to characters, Inhumans could take a cue from this show. Although I'm not fond of how they just threw Dreamer in our face, they are doing a much better job of establishing an emotional connection with the audience. Every time I see the name Strucker as it applies to this show it makes me hate even more that Marvel can't have a full connected Marvel universe. Imagine if the Strucker family had a connection to the Struckers of the MCU......... |
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Post by ayanami on Oct 30, 2017 5:20:39 GMT
Don't get me wrong, the show is really well done and is about a thousand times better than what ABC/Marvel gave us with Inhumans, in terms of "powered people on the run". (Not that that's very hard, but still...) And yet, I don't really find myself looking forward to new episodes. I guess in part it's because of the characters. Marco and Lorna have actually really grown on me since the pilot, but for the most part the show could kill off basically anyone next week and I simply wouldn't care. Yes, that includes the Struckers. What really makes the show pretty 'meh' to me, though, - and I guess that goes in part also for the characters - is that it feels like I have seen all of this a million times before. The X-Men movies (big coincidence, I know! ), Heroes, the inhumans in AoS and now their own show, and probably a hundred other shows and movies along the way, they all have the same damn plot! Powered people persecuted by the government go/are on the run. Yeah, sure, the focus shifts at times, but the basic premise still feels the same. Note, btw, that I'm not listing Legion here, because, even though the show had the same concept in part, the overall tone, main story, narrative style, etc, were so vastly different that it became something fresh that actually stands out in all these superhero worlds we have today. The Gifted on the other hand, not so much. Tagging Jemma Simmons with the request to move the previous The Gifted threads into the new section. They're here, here and here. I hear ya, and I don't disagree............ except: (and you probably won't like this) In the comics (yeah, I know .... you don't read them) persecution of mutants has ALWAYS been a part of The X-Men....... and probably always will be. Now I'm not a comics junkie, but back when I did read them for a couple years, X-Men was one of my favorites; and, canon is important here. If a show should have gone out of the box to tell their story, it should have been Heroes; it probably would have been better after the first season if it had. Legion is such "it's own thing" that I find myself not thinking too much about X-Men because it's so damn original that even without the X-Men tie-in it stands alone. It's what heroes should have done. Anyways...... you're right. It's a tired premise, but for this show, I wouldn't have it any other way. As long as they keep up the intensity, I'm good. As for emotional connection to characters, Inhumans could take a cue from this show. Although I'm not fond of how they just threw Dreamer in our face, they are doing a much better job of establishing an emotional connection with the audience. Every time I see the name Strucker as it applies to this show it makes me hate even more that Marvel can't have a full connected Marvel universe. Imagine if the Strucker family had a connection to the Struckers of the MCU......... Well, they're not von Struckers, though, are they? Anyway, I guess my view on the characters is entirely subjective, so I'd say that's fair enough to ignore here. As for the "originality" of the content, well, I do know the origins of the X-Men. I might not read the comics (though I do own, like, three X-Men and Wolverine ones), but I don't live on the moon, either. I leave that to the royal family! I suppose my feeling in this regard are best summed up by this part of a Ghost in the Shell review I read over on denofgeek.com a while back. Over at The Hollywood Reporter, there's the suggestion that Ghost In The Shell's slow ticket sales may have been due to the familiarity of its imagery. The 1995 Ghost In The Shell had a profound impact on western filmmakers - particularly the Wachowskis, who funnelled a considerable chunk of its images and cyberpunk ideas into their 1999 action spectacle, The Matrix. Ghost In The Shell might be comparable to 2011's John Carter in this regard; the source - Edgar Rice Burroughs' pulp novels, beginning with A Princess Of Mars - had inspired so many other space operas, not least Star Wars, that the film adaptation already looked familiar and out-of-date by the time it hit cinemas.So, to sum it up, I know that the X-Men are the ones who basically started the whole "powered people persecuted" trope, but at this point the whole concept feels so overdone that the TV show seems kind of redundant at times. |
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Post by DoTheMath on Oct 30, 2017 23:44:36 GMT
I hear ya, and I don't disagree............ except: (and you probably won't like this) In the comics (yeah, I know .... you don't read them) persecution of mutants has ALWAYS been a part of The X-Men....... and probably always will be. Now I'm not a comics junkie, but back when I did read them for a couple years, X-Men was one of my favorites; and, canon is important here. If a show should have gone out of the box to tell their story, it should have been Heroes; it probably would have been better after the first season if it had. Legion is such "it's own thing" that I find myself not thinking too much about X-Men because it's so damn original that even without the X-Men tie-in it stands alone. It's what heroes should have done. Anyways...... you're right. It's a tired premise, but for this show, I wouldn't have it any other way. As long as they keep up the intensity, I'm good. As for emotional connection to characters, Inhumans could take a cue from this show. Although I'm not fond of how they just threw Dreamer in our face, they are doing a much better job of establishing an emotional connection with the audience. Every time I see the name Strucker as it applies to this show it makes me hate even more that Marvel can't have a full connected Marvel universe. Imagine if the Strucker family had a connection to the Struckers of the MCU......... Anyway, I guess my view on the characters is entirely subjective, so I'd say that's fair enough to ignore here. As for the "originality" of the content, well, I do know the origins of the X-Men. I might not read the comics (though I do own, like, three X-Men and Wolverine ones), but I don't live on the moon, either. I leave that to the royal family! I suppose my feeling in this regard are best summed up by this part of a Ghost in the Shell review I read over on denofgeek.com a while back. Over at The Hollywood Reporter, there's the suggestion that Ghost In The Shell's slow ticket sales may have been due to the familiarity of its imagery. The 1995 Ghost In The Shell had a profound impact on western filmmakers - particularly the Wachowskis, who funnelled a considerable chunk of its images and cyberpunk ideas into their 1999 action spectacle, The Matrix. Ghost In The Shell might be comparable to 2011's John Carter in this regard; the source - Edgar Rice Burroughs' pulp novels, beginning with A Princess Of Mars - had inspired so many other space operas, not least Star Wars, that the film adaptation already looked familiar and out-of-date by the time it hit cinemas.So, to sum it up, I know that the X-Men are the ones who basically started the whole "powered people persecuted" trope, but at this point the whole concept feels so overdone that the TV show seems kind of redundant at times. Leave it to the German........ |
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), Heroes, the inhumans in AoS and now their own show, and probably a hundred other shows and movies along the way, they all have the same damn plot! Powered people persecuted by the government go/are on the run. Yeah, sure, the focus shifts at times, but the basic premise still feels the same. Note, btw, that I'm not listing Legion here, because, even though the show had the same concept in part, the overall tone, main story, narrative style, etc, were so vastly different that it became something fresh that actually stands out in all these superhero worlds we have today. The Gifted on the other hand, not so much. 
I'm doing some work online right now and I'll shift everything around when I'm done. 
