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Post by haxemon on May 19, 2017 11:41:36 GMT
The separate asteroid-prisons idea is kind of cool. The only problem is that having an asteroid belt serve as a bunch of small prisons seems like a logistical nightmare (how do they keep the prisoners alive? Delivery service?) Until I see S5E1 I'm keeping it in my headcanon that Coulson is on a free-floating station that happens to have a great view of an asteroid belt at it passed by. AoS tends to (try) and stay grounded in physical (Earth) science as it can. In my opinion a prison on an asteroid belt seems too 'out-there' by AoS standards. Besides, story-wise, they'd need to keep Coulson somewhere where his captors could reach him, and control wherever he is. Also, I feel like if Coulson was aware the other asteroids were prisons too, he wouldn't want to look at them everytime he wakes up and be reminded of them. Like I said though. It's an interesting idea and this is all just my opinion. Wull they could easily stock the prison with enough freeze-dried food. I'm not making predictions here, just tossing out ideas that might be cool. Nothing against headcanon of course. |
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Post by haxemon on May 19, 2017 11:45:55 GMT
Because they're two shows on the same network that also deal with (at least in part) the same subject. I'm not expecting any character crossovers, honestly, but you'd think that in a show about inhumans, stuff like the fishoil incident and the subsequent reveal of inhumans to the world might get mentioned. Exactly. I understand when MCU fans are a bit jaded because we'd all love more crossovers and references etc., but we need to keep things in perspective. There are logical reasons why they're being (probably too) conservative with the crossovers and mentions. But we shouldn't let that undermine our confidence in the MCU overall. Most of the "they're separate universes" of "Coulson is dead in the films" stuff comes from trolls or people just trying to cause a fuss. (Whedon never said "Coulson is dead" - he said they wrote AoU "as if" he were dead since they didn't want to address whether the Avengers knew or not.) |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on May 19, 2017 15:31:01 GMT
No other MCU property bothers to acknowledge AoS's existence. Why should 'Imhumans' start now? I'd be surprised if even 'Afterlife' was acknowledged by that show. Don't tell me you buy into this nonsense about things not being connected. They're being overcautious not to make anything seem like "required viewing" of course, but that doesn't mean they won't explore cross overs when it makes sense. I don't think the specific idea of Coulson being on his way to Attilan is likely of course, but given that Inhumans is going to be a TV event (ultimately) and AOS may decide to wrap up after 5 seasons, I could see some transition there. I may have bought 'It's all connected' a few years ago, but my faith in that was destroyed by the fact that we have never had Inhumans mentioned in *anyother* movie or series, not by name. Oh, sure people in movies and on Netflix have said 'Oh, you're one of them' but that doesn't count to me. And I also know, Fury said he got the Helicarrier "from a friend" in AoU (Thanks Theta Protocol!) but that is still cleverly ignoring AoS's existence. Admittedly, AoS does a great job of connecting itself to the rest of the MCU but it's still obvious that it's only AoS working to make #ItsAllConnected true. I see what you mean about them trying not to make anything 'required viewing' but it would be very easy to have a movie have an Inhuman and not having to explain what the heck that is. An intelligent person who sees the movie would be able to figure out it's a person who has the ability to have powers (or already does). The MCU needs to take a cue from the Star Trek franchise. That one got all this, "Its All Connected" stuff right. |
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Post by haxemon on May 19, 2017 20:02:22 GMT
I may have bought 'It's all connected' a few years ago, but my faith in that was destroyed by the fact that we have never had Inhumans mentioned in *anyother* movie or series, not by name. Oh, sure people in movies and on Netflix have said 'Oh, you're one of them' but that doesn't count to me. And I also know, Fury said he got the Helicarrier "from a friend" in AoU (Thanks Theta Protocol!) but that is still cleverly ignoring AoS's existence. Admittedly, AoS does a great job of connecting itself to the rest of the MCU but it's still obvious that it's only AoS working to make #ItsAllConnected true. I see what you mean about them trying not to make anything 'required viewing' but it would be very easy to have a movie have an Inhuman and not having to explain what the heck that is. An intelligent person who sees the movie would be able to figure out it's a person who has the ability to have powers (or already does). The MCU needs to take a cue from the Star Trek franchise. That one got all this, "Its All Connected" stuff right. I actually think your example are more "cleverly acknowledging" than ignoring. I feel your pain though. I'd love to see more direct references but I do think if you just has someone say "Wow are you Inhuman" with no context you'd have people confused. I've watched MCU shows/films with friends that aren't as in to it as I am and a lot of stuff confuses them that seems plain to me. Plus the production schedules make it tricky. Why add a line saying "Some guy named Coulson here to see you Luke" when there's no way to be 100% sure that by the time that episode of Defenders airs Coulson's character isn't locked up in outer space somewhere? Sure they could coordinate, but I don't think they see the bang for their buck that we do. We're fish in a barrel for them so they worry more about the popcorn munching sheep that help fund the movies than the do about us. (Which is fine by me as long as those popcorn munching sheep keep up with the funding!) |
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Post by beren44 on May 20, 2017 3:44:11 GMT
- Coulson in space. Huh. Hadn't seen that coming. I wonder if he's a prisoner wherever he is. And if so, will he need some guy's robot leg to break out? Or will his own arm do the trick? Lol I see what you did there. Until I watched GotG today, I had no clue what this comment was about. 'But I didn't really need it [the leg], I was just joking  ' |
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Post by beren44 on May 20, 2017 3:49:49 GMT
My impression on the s4 finale? I loved it! I have to add, I don't think it was the best episode of the year (4x21) is a tough cookie to follow! as well as 4x15. And s2 finale was in my book the best last ep. of a season for AoS ever. The dynamic with Daisy ( *Skye* for 'nami  )and her family was pretty rocking! |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on May 20, 2017 16:55:14 GMT
My impression on the s4 finale? I loved it! I have to add, I don't think it was the best episode of the year (4x21) is a tough cookie to follow! as well as 4x15. And s2 finale was in my book the best last ep. of a season for AoS ever. The dynamic with Daisy ( *Skye* for 'nami )and her family was pretty rocking! I felt like this was the weakest AoS season finale. The pacing was erratic and I felt like a few things were 'taken care of' too easily. For instance, I feel that, storywise, AIDA getting tricked into a confrontation with CoulsonRider was a good move because it made sense. AIDA was too young and inexperienced to have the ability to guess the motives of other people or guess the outcomes of situations. However, writer-wise, I felt like that was too sudden and felt a bit like they wanted rid of AIDA by a certain point of the episode and came up with #CoulsonRider and Jemma's machine-gunning to sort of distract you from that fact. Also, they built up AIDA's powers and but was then way too easily defeated. Also, this is just me, but I feel like #CoulsonRider was a bit out of character unless he was very desperate and the writers failed to show that. All that said, I believe that last scene (because I didn't watch season one in the live run so didn't get real emotion at Coulson starting to carve a wall) was the best "WTF!?" cliffhanger of them all and not just in the finales. Mainly because it was so far out of left field. There were parts I loved though, just not as many. Although, I agree that the season 2 finale was the best. |
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Post by beren44 on May 20, 2017 17:27:02 GMT
My impression on the s4 finale? I loved it! I have to add, I don't think it was the best episode of the year (4x21) is a tough cookie to follow! as well as 4x15. And s2 finale was in my book the best last ep. of a season for AoS ever. The dynamic with Daisy ( *Skye* for 'nami )and her family was pretty rocking! I felt like this was the weakest AoS season finale. The pacing was erratic and I felt like a few things were 'taken care of' too easily. For instance, I feel that, storywise, AIDA getting tricked into a confrontation with CoulsonRider was a good move because it made sense. AIDA was too young and inexperienced to have the ability to guess the motives of other people or guess the outcomes of situations.However, writer-wise, I felt like that was too sudden and felt a bit like they wanted rid of AIDA by a certain point of the episode and came up with #CoulsonRider and Jemma's machine-gunning to sort of distract you from that fact. Also, they built up AIDA's powers and but was then way too easily defeated. Also, this is just me, but I feel like #CoulsonRider was a bit out of character unless he was very desperate and the writers failed to show that. All that said, I believe that last scene (because I didn't watch season one in the live run so didn't get real emotion at Coulson starting to carve a wall) was the best "WTF!?" cliffhanger of them all and not just in the finales. Mainly because it was so far out of left field. There were parts I loved though, just not as many. Although, I agree that the season 2 finale was the best. I'm with you on all of this. Especially the final scene, with Coulson in 'apparent' space. I'm gonna hold my breath on that one. With the 'blue light' glowing from beyond the asteroids, maybe he cut a deal between the ghost-rider demon and the Kree? Not too interested in even exploring the speculation about all that...but back to your comments, Totally agree about Aida, she was a child-in-arms, and had no clue yet how to deal with the real world. They just shoved her off really quickly, and as is typical with superhero-type shows; not only her, but the <yuk.. Superior??> can take 4 or 5 shots to the chest, and not be phased, but then get clobbered by a fist-punch to the face??? PUL-LEEASE, gimme a break. That is perhaps the worst ongoing trope of any s-hero show ever made. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on May 20, 2017 17:34:58 GMT
I felt like this was the weakest AoS season finale. The pacing was erratic and I felt like a few things were 'taken care of' too easily. For instance, I feel that, storywise, AIDA getting tricked into a confrontation with CoulsonRider was a good move because it made sense. AIDA was too young and inexperienced to have the ability to guess the motives of other people or guess the outcomes of situations.However, writer-wise, I felt like that was too sudden and felt a bit like they wanted rid of AIDA by a certain point of the episode and came up with #CoulsonRider and Jemma's machine-gunning to sort of distract you from that fact. Also, they built up AIDA's powers and but was then way too easily defeated. Also, this is just me, but I feel like #CoulsonRider was a bit out of character unless he was very desperate and the writers failed to show that. All that said, I believe that last scene (because I didn't watch season one in the live run so didn't get real emotion at Coulson starting to carve a wall) was the best "WTF!?" cliffhanger of them all and not just in the finales. Mainly because it was so far out of left field. There were parts I loved though, just not as many. Although, I agree that the season 2 finale was the best. I'm with you on all of this. Especially the final scene, with Coulson in 'apparent' space. I'm gonna hold my breath on that one. With the 'blue light' glowing from beyond the asteroids, maybe he cut a deal between the ghost-rider demon and the Kree? Not too interested in even exploring the speculation about all that...but back to your comments, Totally agree about Aida, she was a child-in-arms, and had no clue yet how to deal with the real world. They just shoved her off really quickly, and as is typical with superhero-type shows; not only her, but the <yuk.. Superior??> can take 4 or 5 shots to the chest, and not be phased, but then get clobbered by a fist-punch to the face??? PUL-LEEASE, gimme a break. That is perhaps the worst ongoing trope of any s-hero show ever made. To be fair, 'The Superior' is merely a head in a jar and we don't where that jar is. It was only a 'SuperiorLMD' that was defeated in the episode. |
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Post by koos on May 21, 2017 17:04:39 GMT
- Mack still alive and well, but the framework gone. Dis-a-ppointing! I could have gotten on board with Mack and Yoyo staying with Hope in the FW, living happily ever after. Oh, well, the least I can hope is that Mack won't be such an a-hole anymore, now that he's got years of being a father under his belt. I suppose I can live with that. I expected some tears for you on his arc Some of my thoughts on this episode. Disappointing - Agree with anyone who said that the fight between GR and AIDA was disappointing. It was. Also disappointed we lost Mallory. - I was disappointed by Daisy's speech. It was too much a speech of her becoming the next director and not enough about Fitz. Felt generic and unpersonal, even though there was a thank you hidden in it. Still hoping there would be a nod back to when Fitz helped her when she became an Inhuman for the first time, especially since EvilFitz tortured so many of them. It's hard to know where he's guilty or not but he is partly responsible of the framework dramatics. And with that for Mace's and Agnes death. But also for the ten years Mack got with his daughter. - Only three powers for AIDA as Terminator already mentioned. - Disappointed by the explanations or lack of wrt the Darkhold and its goals. No quantum brain mentionings again either. It feels unsatisfying. Funny - Mallory was ear-licking good as a mad AIDA in this episode. - Simmons mentioning that It is AIDA while being threatened by the mad woman. Good - Mack's storyline with his daughter and Yo yo. - I hope Yo yo is now becoming a regular in the show now that she is part of the team. Excellent Radcliffe's fair well. The special effects The diner scene Was I the only one that immediately realized that Simmons wasn't real when AIDA visit them? I mean that was so obvious to me, since it was Coulson's plan. Anwya, looking forward to the infinity stone crossover arcline they have in mind for AoS. |
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Post by aquaangel on May 22, 2017 12:15:33 GMT
koos, I didn't realize it wasn't really Jemma, but as soon as she appeared to be dead, I thought ,"there's no way they just killed her off. The couple is too popular, ratings would suffer. Plus, Coulson had a plan. Something has to be up." My only problem was not being able to work out how Simmons could survive being electrocuted. A bot never even crossed my mind, not until they showed it lying there on the ground after showing Jemma shooting Aida. I even missed the fact that Jemma's shirt was flawless. See, this is what happens without CSI on TV. I sometimes forget to check small details like that.
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Post by saladdays on May 22, 2017 17:07:56 GMT
So we keep going up and down about SHIELD being a legit organization or not. Seems like that legitimacy is in trouble if the upper echelon of SHIELD has been captured, and with Talbot in a coma.
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Post by koos on May 22, 2017 20:56:37 GMT
koos , I didn't realize it wasn't really Jemma, but as soon as she appeared to be dead, I thought ,"there's no way they just killed her off. The couple is too popular, ratings would suffer. Plus, Coulson had a plan. Something has to be up." My only problem was not being able to work out how Simmons could survive being electrocuted. A bot never even crossed my mind, not until they showed it lying there on the ground after showing Jemma shooting Aida. I even missed the fact that Jemma's shirt was flawless. See, this is what happens without CSI on TV. I sometimes forget to check small details like that. Well, I thought Fitz was an LMD too, but that turned out not to be true (I think). I was kind of surprised by Coulson and the Ghost. I actually thought it was just Robbie, but a mask or so to make him look like Coulson. |
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Post by bigvanray on May 22, 2017 21:11:48 GMT
koos , I didn't realize it wasn't really Jemma, but as soon as she appeared to be dead, I thought ,"there's no way they just killed her off. The couple is too popular, ratings would suffer. Plus, Coulson had a plan. Something has to be up." My only problem was not being able to work out how Simmons could survive being electrocuted. A bot never even crossed my mind, not until they showed it lying there on the ground after showing Jemma shooting Aida. I even missed the fact that Jemma's shirt was flawless. See, this is what happens without CSI on TV. I sometimes forget to check small details like that. Well, I thought Fitz was an LMD too, but that turned out not to be true (I think). I was kind of surprised by Coulson and the Ghost. I actually thought it was just Robbie, but a mask or so to make him look like Coulson. I thought it was Robbie in disguise. |
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on May 22, 2017 21:26:57 GMT
Well, I thought Fitz was an LMD too, but that turned out not to be true (I think). I was kind of surprised by Coulson and the Ghost. I actually thought it was just Robbie, but a mask or so to make him look like Coulson. I thought it was Robbie in disguise. Coulson has a very distinct 'gait' and way of carrying himself, as well as a specific way that he moves when he talks. I would've known almost immediately it wasn't Coulson if it had been Robbie in disguise. |
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