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Post by DoTheMath on Feb 8, 2017 5:34:08 GMT
Don't really like the over emotional Coulson. Kind of figured he'd be past that by now.... Dammit, Phil..... Just do the job. And, Mack...... Same thing. Do your job or leave the agency. Insubordination is one thing (and he does it often) but dereliction is something else entirely.
Cool VFX tonite.
Something about Jemma and Leo.... always so good together. (I wonder if when they get married, they'll BOTH change their last names to Fitzsimmons......)
Mace whines more than Daisy....... He's got balls, but man he can be whiny.
Radcliffe read the naughty book. He's gone over the edge.
Did AIDA get jealous of Agnes? Seemed like it. Talk about daddy issues...
Why did they drop a May might be dead tease then instantly show us she's still alive. Wasted opportunity, IMO.
Did I mention the cool VFX?
Can't wait for Vijay to come back and see where he stands in all this.
This was a decent ep. Obviously needed to move a few pieces around the board to set up the grand finale for the end of this arc.
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Post by caseyrook AKA Mechelle on Feb 8, 2017 5:52:26 GMT
I think the problem with Coulson is that he *can't* not be emotional about the people he loves.
Remember how Raina got Coulson to cooperate in the Memory Machine? It was the mention of the Cellist that broke him.
Remember when Garret and Ward raided the Fridge and released everyone? It was only Marcus Daniels that Coulson sought out, out of everyone who escaped.
Then there was, obviously, Rosalind.
As for Mack, well I didn't see that as Insubordination. Just Mack walking away from a friend who is intent on doing something that he wants no part in. Also, I feel like it was Mack's ultimate way of showing Coulson that he was being irrational, because it was Mack walking away that convinced Coulson to switch tactics with (I forgot her name).
I feel like Mack takes his partnerships Seriously, even with Coulson.
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Post by pumpyjones on Feb 8, 2017 7:35:29 GMT
Don't really like the over emotional Coulson. Kind of figured he'd be past that by now.... Dammit, Phil..... Just do the job. And, Mack...... Same thing. Do your job or leave the agency. Insubordination is one thing (and he does it often) but dereliction is something else entirely. Cool VFX tonite. Something about Jemma and Leo.... always so good together. (I wonder if when they get married, they'll BOTH change their last names to Fitzsimmons......) Mace whines more than Daisy....... He's got balls, but man he can be whiny. Radcliffe read the naughty book. He's gone over the edge. Did AIDA get jealous of Agnes? Seemed like it. Talk about daddy issues... Why did they drop a May might be dead tease then instantly show us she's still alive. Wasted opportunity, IMO. Did I mention the cool VFX? Can't wait for Vijay to come back and see where he stands in all this. This was a decent ep. Obviously needed to move a few pieces around the board to set up the grand finale for the end of this arc. Agree with every point! Coulson's man-in-love desperation is getting tedious, especially since he was just like this less than a year ago about another woman. I feel like it would've been more in character for him to have faith in May's abilities as an agent and believe that she would manage to keep herself alive somehow. She's the freaking cavalry. I just feel icky every time Coulson talks about saving May, because she's no damsel. Remember how Fitz was 100% sure Jemma was alive and out there somewhere because he knew she'd never give up? Desperate but certain? Coulson should be more like that. I never felt like Fitz assumed Jemma was helpless. I understood where Mack was coming from, but like, come on. You're looking for MAY! If this were Daisy or YoYo, he wouldn't have just thrown up his hands and left. May wouldnot have given up on him. It felt disloyal to me. So happy to have the old fitzsimmons lab dynamic back. And the bus siblings too! Like, how long has it been since they've all worked together like that? Early S2? Also happy they finally let fitzsimmons act like a normal couple. Nobody was expecting them to be making out in broom closets, but it was almost like the writing staff was making a competition of how platonic they could write them and how few scenes they could put them in together. Fitz was so in character running toward Nitro like a gd hero. Who would've thought the geeky scientist would be the most heroic character in the show? And I loved Jemma getting mad at him for risking his life - because this is more of that S1 dynamic. It reminded me of how mad she got when he risked his life for her in FZZT. And yeah, Mace is kind of annoying and even though he doesn't deserve to die, his character sucks and I hope they kill him so we don't have to deal w him anymore. Nitro was an awesome villain. I was not expecting that at all. He was seriously everything that Hellfire failed to be, bc James sucked at being menacing. And yeah, those special effects were AWESOME. I'm not getting what kind of relationship Radcliffe and Agnes had. At first, I thought she was his daughter, but that photo of them made it look like they were dating? But when we saw Radcliffe with her, he didn't really look like a man in love (nor did he look at Aida like she was the ghost of somebody he once loved, the way Coulson looks at Maybot). And, he also kept insisting he didn't sleep with Aida, like she was his child or something, but if he modeled her on an ex-lover...weird. The age difference made it seem kind of skeevy too, like Holden was preying on some sick, younger woman. Idk. |
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Post by pumpyjones on Feb 8, 2017 7:39:59 GMT
As for Mack, well I didn't see that as Insubordination. Just Mack walking away from a friend who is intent on doing something that he wants no part in. Also, I feel like it was Mack's ultimate way of showing Coulson that he was being irrational, because it was Mack walking away that convinced Coulson to switch tactics with (I forgot her name). Was Coulson being irrational though? I thought Mack was kind of douchey giving up so quickly. I mean, yeah, kidnapping Agnes would've been scummy and over the line, but like, he took 'no' pretty quickly. He didn't want to give it another try to convince her for May's sake? What if it had been YoYo? |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Feb 8, 2017 9:36:57 GMT
Don't really like the over emotional Coulson. Kind of figured he'd be past that by now.... Dammit, Phil..... Just do the job. And, Mack...... Same thing. Do your job or leave the agency. Insubordination is one thing (and he does it often) but dereliction is something else entirely. I'm not sure it was dereliction. He disagreed with the decision of another agent. Coulson was being a little over the top, and Mack did change Colson's approach to Agnes. That approach let Agnes know how he felt about May. (See below.) Yeah, I thought the birds flying away after Nadeer got munched was a nice touch.  No one has mentioned "The Framework". After Radcliffe uploaded Agnes, May had a reaction. Did May and Agnes meet? Agnes could fill May in on everything that's happened. Wouldn't that be interesting. How much will The Framework be involved in the rest of the story arc, or even Act 3 of this season? Could some of the surreal scenes from next week be in the Framework? Setting up a complete alternate reality might be messy. AIDA has issues. She seems to have a reaction to anything that seems more perfect than her. It was creepy when she reacted to Radcliffe kissing Agnes's hand, and even creepier when she took Agnes's necklace and put it on. I wonder how if she sees Agnes as a potential AIDA v3.0. Well, he won't be seeking revenge on his sister... BWAhahahaha... And finally, I hope they don't red shirt Mace. He's a misfit to the team right now, but he does deserve better. |
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Post by koos on Feb 8, 2017 13:25:34 GMT
As for Mack, well I didn't see that as Insubordination. Just Mack walking away from a friend who is intent on doing something that he wants no part in. Also, I feel like it was Mack's ultimate way of showing Coulson that he was being irrational, because it was Mack walking away that convinced Coulson to switch tactics with (I forgot her name). Was Coulson being irrational though? I thought Mack was kind of douchey giving up so quickly. I mean, yeah, kidnapping Agnes would've been scummy and over the line, but like, he took 'no' pretty quickly. He didn't want to give it another try to convince her for May's sake? What if it had been YoYo? Giving up made no sense to me. A life can be saved. Mack refused this without even asking Agnes about what she wanted. Luckily Coulson was so smart. |
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Feb 8, 2017 13:54:13 GMT
This was a great episode! It's such a nice change to have the gang that's left working together. While I'm not a fan of Mace (still a bit salty about being black bagged. Can you really blame me for that?), he's growing on me.
I'm wondering if the late senator's brother will be the key to dealing with our new explosive "friend".
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Post by Jemma Simmons on Feb 8, 2017 14:07:25 GMT
"So happy to have the old fitzsimmons lab dynamic back. And the bus siblings too! Like, how long has it been since they've all worked together like that? Early S2?
Also happy they finally let fitzsimmons act like a normal couple. Nobody was expecting them to be making out in broom closets, but it was almost like the writing staff was making a competition of how platonic they could write them and how few scenes they could put them in together.
Fitz was so in character running toward Nitro like a gd hero. Who would've thought the geeky scientist would be the most heroic character in the show? And I loved Jemma getting mad at him for risking his life - because this is more of that S1 dynamic. It reminded me of how mad she got when he risked his life for her in FZZT."
Pumpyjones, I agree with all of this! It seems like the whole "we have to be professional in the lab and not let our relationship interfere" has been dropped for "You know what? Everyone and their second cousin already knows and has for quite a while. Why bother hiding it?" 😄
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Post by aquaangel on Feb 8, 2017 14:08:25 GMT
Aida was definitely jealous.
I personally like Mack. Next to Coulson and FitzSimmons he is probably my favorite character. Yeah, he does some boneheaded things some times, but so does Coulson. I love him anyway. I didn't think Mack was giving up on rescuing May. I think he was just in the "we will find another way" mindframe. He didn't want to cause Agnes any unnecessary suffering, partly because he knew that May would be against doing that.
As much as I like Mack, I would prefer they tone down his hate-on for robots just a bit. I have a feeling that we might get a semi-regular character who is an android. So, yeah that will get old real fast. I thought the "I like to hear robots scream" line in an earlier episode made him sound a little psycho-ish lol. The clause for "death by robot" in his life insurance policy was funny, but the "robot scream" line was OTT, in my opinion. I feel that the issue with the line I mentioned was more a writer issue as opposed to a character issue.
I kind of hope Jeffrey Mace sticks around and becomes a semi-regular character. I'm starting to really like him. I hope they don't kill him off. Loved the "I think I finally found my place on the team. I'm the blocker" line.
I like Mack being paired with Coulson in the field, but I want more Mack/Fitz brotherly moments. I adored those scenes when Fitz was struggling with his injury and Mack was all big brotherly to him.
Did anyone else feel like the death of Nadeer was anti-climatic? They kind of made her seem like a big villian and then she just dies like that? I hope her brother will be on Shield's side when he returns.
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Post by DoTheMath on Feb 8, 2017 14:09:41 GMT
Don't really like the over emotional Coulson. Kind of figured he'd be past that by now.... Dammit, Phil..... Just do the job. And, Mack...... Same thing. Do your job or leave the agency. Insubordination is one thing (and he does it often) but dereliction is something else entirely. Cool VFX tonite. Something about Jemma and Leo.... always so good together. (I wonder if when they get married, they'll BOTH change their last names to Fitzsimmons......) Mace whines more than Daisy....... He's got balls, but man he can be whiny. Radcliffe read the naughty book. He's gone over the edge. Did AIDA get jealous of Agnes? Seemed like it. Talk about daddy issues... Why did they drop a May might be dead tease then instantly show us she's still alive. Wasted opportunity, IMO. Did I mention the cool VFX? Can't wait for Vijay to come back and see where he stands in all this. This was a decent ep. Obviously needed to move a few pieces around the board to set up the grand finale for the end of this arc. Agree with every point! Coulson's man-in-love desperation is getting tedious, especially since he was just like this less than a year ago about another woman. I feel like it would've been more in character for him to have faith in May's abilities as an agent and believe that she would manage to keep herself alive somehow. She's the freaking cavalry. I just feel icky every time Coulson talks about saving May, because she's no damsel. Remember how Fitz was 100% sure Jemma was alive and out there somewhere because he knew she'd never give up? Desperate but certain? Coulson should be more like that. I never felt like Fitz assumed Jemma was helpless. I understood where Mack was coming from, but like, come on. You're looking for MAY! If this were Daisy or YoYo, he wouldn't have just thrown up his hands and left. May wouldnot have given up on him. It felt disloyal to me. So happy to have the old fitzsimmons lab dynamic back. And the bus siblings too! Like, how long has it been since they've all worked together like that? Early S2? Also happy they finally let fitzsimmons act like a normal couple. Nobody was expecting them to be making out in broom closets, but it was almost like the writing staff was making a competition of how platonic they could write them and how few scenes they could put them in together. Fitz was so in character running toward Nitro like a gd hero. Who would've thought the geeky scientist would be the most heroic character in the show? And I loved Jemma getting mad at him for risking his life - because this is more of that S1 dynamic. It reminded me of how mad she got when he risked his life for her in FZZT. And yeah, Mace is kind of annoying and even though he doesn't deserve to die, his character sucks and I hope they kill him so we don't have to deal w him anymore. Nitro was an awesome villain. I was not expecting that at all. He was seriously everything that Hellfire failed to be, bc James sucked at being menacing. And yeah, those special effects were AWESOME. I'm not getting what kind of relationship Radcliffe and Agnes had. At first, I thought she was his daughter, but that photo of them made it look like they were dating? But when we saw Radcliffe with her, he didn't really look like a man in love (nor did he look at Aida like she was the ghost of somebody he once loved, the way Coulson looks at Maybot). And, he also kept insisting he didn't sleep with Aida, like she was his child or something, but if he modeled her on an ex-lover...weird. The age difference made it seem kind of skeevy too, like Holden was preying on some sick, younger woman. Idk.
That's exactly IT. They just used that last season and, IMO, it was wasted last season. I never bought the Ros reaction because IMO the writers didn't sell it well enough. If not for last years misuse, it would work better now. I like the "cool as a fan" Coulson, but they keep making him lose his cool and, for me, it seems OOC. I feel like it would've been more in character for him to have faith in May's abilities as an agent and believe that she would manage to keep herself alive somehow. She's the freaking cavalry. I just feel icky every time Coulson talks about saving May, because she's no damsel.
Totally agree Fitz was so in character running toward Nitro like a gd hero. Who would've thought the geeky scientist would be the most heroic character in the show?
I've said many times that Fitz is the true hero on the show. He's the real Mr. SaveTheDay. I'm not getting what kind of relationship Radcliffe and Agnes had.
I really think that AIDA will be Dadcliffe's downfall. Sentience will override code and she'll stop him/kill him. He's reading the book and AIDA is the only other one that has, too. She'll know how to overcome whatever he throws at her. And I think we both agree that she then needs to be recruited as Agent AIDA, a force for good (so that Mallory can stay on permanent). |
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Post by aquaangel on Feb 8, 2017 14:24:17 GMT
Fitz joining in the struggle with the inhuman was so badass. At the same time though, I was thinking, "what are you doing?". Loved Simmons telling him not to scare her like that again and then hugging him.
Did anyone else think of Terminator (2) when Shockley went over to that guy in the car and the guy asked where his clothes were? I was half expecting Shockley to say, "I need your clothes, your boots and your car" lol.
I'm not sure they'd allow Aida to be an agent considering that she did kill that one agent (and on her own, not on Radcliffe's orders). As much as I like the job the actress is doing with the character, I just don't know if this will happen.
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Post by koos on Feb 8, 2017 14:27:48 GMT
"You are my Superior." It was enough for the Superior to trust Shockley. I thought that was interesting. Any thougths?
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Post by koos on Feb 8, 2017 14:30:34 GMT
Fitz joining in the struggle with the inhuman was so badass. At the same time though, I was thinking, "what are you doing?". Loved Simmons telling him not to scare her like that again and then hugging him. Did anyone else think of Terminator (2) when Shockley went over to that guy in the car and the guy asked where his clothes were? I was half expecting Shockley to say, "I need your clothes, your boots and your car" lol. I'm not sure they'd allow Aida to be an agent considering that she did kill that one agent (and on her own, not on Radcliffe's orders). As much as I like the job the actress is doing with the character, I just don't know if this will happen. Lol. Yeah. Was thinking that. And when he entered that Motel he was there alone with the guy's car and cloths. |
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Post by DoTheMath on Feb 8, 2017 14:31:03 GMT
Don't really like the over emotional Coulson. Kind of figured he'd be past that by now.... Dammit, Phil..... Just do the job. And, Mack...... Same thing. Do your job or leave the agency. Insubordination is one thing (and he does it often) but dereliction is something else entirely. I'm not sure it was dereliction. He disagreed with the decision of another agent. Coulson was being a little over the top, and Mack did change Colson's approach to Agnes. That approach let Agnes know how he felt about May. (See below.) Yeah, I thought the birds flying away after Nadeer got munched was a nice touch. No one has mentioned "The Framework". After Radcliffe uploaded Agnes, May had a reaction. Did May and Agnes meet? Agnes could fill May in on everything that's happened. Wouldn't that be interesting. How much will The Framework be involved in the rest of the story arc, or even Act 3 of this season? Could some of the surreal scenes from next week be in the Framework? Setting up a complete alternate reality might be messy. AIDA has issues. She seems to have a reaction to anything that seems more perfect than her. It was creepy when she reacted to Radcliffe kissing Agnes's hand, and even creepier when she took Agnes's necklace and put it on. I wonder how if she sees Agnes as a potential AIDA v3.0. Well, he won't be seeking revenge on his sister... BWAhahahaha... And finally, I hope they don't red shirt Mace. He's a misfit to the team right now, but he does deserve better.
I guess the it's the military in me, but yes it was dereliction. Verbal refusal (to a superior) is insubordination, refusal to perform your duties is dereliction; Mack did both. Regardless of the outcome, he failed to perform his duties. And the "lawful order" rules don't apply to a spy agency. Black ops and wet work is what they do. If Mack doesn't want to do his job in the field then he needs to take his ass back to the garage and turn wrenches. IMO :-) No one has mentioned "The Framework". After Radcliffe uploaded Agnes, May had a reaction. Did May and Agnes meet? Agnes could fill May in on everything that's happened. Wouldn't that be interesting.
How much will The Framework be involved in the rest of the story arc, or even Act 3 of this season? Could some of the surreal scenes from next week be in the Framework? Setting up a complete alternate reality might be messy.
I call it The Maytrix. If they are interacting then it definitely is The Maytrix, and that would be cool to play with that on this show, especially if it turns out that AIDA can interact with Agnes........ Well, he won't be seeking revenge on his sister... BWAhahahaha...
ROFLMAO 
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Post by aquaangel on Feb 8, 2017 15:11:12 GMT
Maytrix lol! I love it!
I kind of feel like Vjay was cheated out of the chance to get revenge on his sister. Speaking of her, did her pause in her line right before the blast feel off to anyone else? It was almost like the actress was saying, "I'm pausing now, so that's the sound effect person's cue" or something. It was weird.
A thought I just had: what if Agent Piper is and always was an LMD? I don't think another main character will be and Mace won't either, probably not Talbot. Piper has been on a few episodes and they put more of an emphasis on her than any of the others on that team May was training. I feel like there has to be a reason for it. They even mentioned Piper last night, but she was never on screen.
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