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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 23, 2021 16:13:48 GMT
It was a good watch, but the ending seemed a bit drawn out, and it felt... edited.
And the only thing missing was Scott Lang cheering on Captain America's speech, lol...
And yeah, the set up for a second season. Peggy would be soooooo disappointed in her niece, lol.
And yeah, Walker becoming US Agent should be interesting. I still think he's nuts, though. 
And yeah, would still like to see the original treatment and script...
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Post by TommyWizard on Apr 23, 2021 16:17:54 GMT
Yeah it has somehow of a weird pace but i liked it overall.
And yeah i wasnt expecting the stuff with Sharon, so much with that long line of trush with the Carter name!
I assume we'll see more of her and Walker aka US Agent in upcoming Disney+ Marvel series.
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Post by haxemon on Apr 23, 2021 17:23:30 GMT
Yeah similar thoughts here. I enjoyed it but really don't like the decision to make Sharon the Power Broker. Unless there's more to it they plan to reveal later on. Loved Sam's new gear though. I was prepared for there to be lots of unanswered questions.
What's next? Loki?
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 23, 2021 18:04:20 GMT
I guess they came up with a good enough reason for not showing inside the case last week. I'd agree it was a really good first half with a somewhat drawn out second half. Not quite Return of the King drawn out, but worthy of being compared. A bit disappointing they didn't show how things ended up with Bucky and the father of the guy he killed - yes, he didn't go inside the sushi place, but that's hardly a real answer. The girl also saw him looking in and it looked like she was going to come out and talk to him, but if she did it wasn't shown. I'd like a scene with him showing her the arm and giving her a brief history of what he's done ("I wasn't joking when I said I was 106.").
Loki will start in 7 weeks on June 11.
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 23, 2021 19:13:43 GMT
I guess they came up with a good enough reason for not showing inside the case last week. And here I thought you were being facetious with your remark last week. I don't think here was any doubt it was Falcon's Cap suit. That's where the entire series was headed. (And Bucky could have had a better reaction to Sam in the suit other than a little smile. I was sorta disappointed there...) Season 2? And I was very disappointed that at the end of the show the title card didn't dissolve from "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" to "Captain America and the Winter Soldier." Yep. Other notable D+ stuff: Next week will be an "Assembled", the making of FaWS. (The same way they did WandaVision.) (Oh, and "Oklahoma" (the Rogers and Hammerstein flick) will be released the same week. I hope they've cleaned up the film. Big fan, lol...) Star Wars, "The Bad Batch" will release on May 4th (for obvious reasons), but will then be the Friday release until Loki starts. (This is a 14 episode series, and will run parallel to Loki during that run.) Friday June 4 (the week before Loki starts), Raya And The Last Dragon will become available to all D+ subscribers. On July 9, Black Widow will premier on Premier Access. I may actually pay for that one, lol. I wonder if they take Disney Reward Dollars... |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 23, 2021 23:50:04 GMT
I don't think here was any doubt it was Falcon's Cap suit. That's where the entire series was headed. (And Bucky could have had a better reaction to Sam in the suit other than a little smile. I was sorta disappointed there...) Bear in mind I haven't read the comics, so I haven't seen Sam's Captain Falcon suit. As for Bucky's reaction, I'm sure he peeked in the case before giving it to Sam, not to mention he was the one who asked for it to be made. And I was disappointed that it still said Winter Soldier. Sam got changed to Captain America because he accepted being the new Cap, so Bucky should lose the Winter Soldier name because he actually finished checking off his list and appears to be moving on from that part of his life. |
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Post by ayanami on Apr 24, 2021 0:32:35 GMT
Well, I gotta say, overall the season gets a solid "meh" from me. Loved Bucky, Zemo was a great addition, Walker's arc was surprisingly awesome, but the entire rest I just could not care less about. Not saying here btw that Sam is a bad character. He's a cool guy, kicks ass, his interactions with Bucky were great throughout the show and it made sense that both between these two as well as with Karli his counselor days came in extremely handy. But can we please, for the love of god, never ever spend another second on that damn shrimp boat?!  Or have the show try to tell me that Sam can't get a bank loan, because him being black somehow trumps the fact that he's an Avenger and has direct connection to some of the richest people in the world. Loved the Isaiah Bradley storyline btw. That one hit hard. And personally I felt that Sam showing him the new addition to the Captain America exhibition in the final scene was probably the most emotional moment of the entire show so far. Another 'meh' factor for me was Sharon. So she's evil now. 'k. Lesson here: Don't ever hook up with your girlfriend's niece, especially not if you plan to someday get back to your original girlfriend. That stuff doesn't end well. "Woman scorned" and all... So now she's the Shadow Broker Power Broker. Whoop-de-doo. Like I said before, at least she's got some personality now, good for her. And yet I still find the character to be about as interesting as a sack of rice. Well, I guess they got another season to up the ante here, but so far, consider me not impressed. One thing that really encompasses how I think I feel about the season as a whole is Bucky's arc. On the one hand, great! He's struggling with his demons, tries to find ways to deal with them (therapy, stopping the people he's enabled), and yet it's not enough, because deep down a part of him is still too afraid to fully confront the atrocities he has commited. Cue a season's worth of character development and he's making progress all around. Great! And still, somehow this arc - this season really - felt like it was moving with the hand break engaged. Like it kept always pulling its punches. I can't even put my finger on exactly where things went wrong, but I have the impression that things were not fully explored in the way they should have been. Just imagine for a second a Daredevil (S3) style arc about all this. Oh, boy!! Oh, and then there was of course Sam's ridiculously specific 'tough love' moment in episode 5. Sure, he had some really good advice for Bucky. But if we're considering that the one specific "obstacle" Bucky had been facing this season had been whether to tell that one guy that he killed his son, and then Sam suddenly goes "I'm sure someone out there needs closure and you're the only one who can give it to them", that seemed to be almost prescient to me. I mean, come on! Has Sam been reading Bucky's diary, or what?  A big bonus point, though, for the fact that in his final scenes, Bucky wasn't wearing his glove anymore. Subtle, yet clear visual hint of how far he's come in accepting himself and his past. Nice! And lastly - because I guess I should mention her, if I'm talking about the whole season - Karli. Oh my god am I glad that she is dead. Annoying character with zero charisma that really had me wondering the whole time why exactly people would be following her so fanatically. Yeah, sure, she wasn't entirely wrong with her reasoning, but you can't tell me that she and Sam were the only people in the world speaking out in that regard. So why the hell was everyone following the crazy girl? (Well, I guess she made some impact after getting juiced up, but I still don't see how that earned her such a devouted following.) Also, don't even get me started on the one argument that pretty much tears a hole throughout her entire reasoning, but that for some reason was never mentioned by anyone except that one senator in the last twenty minutes of the season: What about the people that came back from the Snap? Because going by the BS Karli kept saying, those people simply didn't f*cking matter. "Oh, so you got your literal life taken away from you by Thanos? Well, sucks to be you, I guess. Because all your stuff is mine now, my friends live in your house and the land you inhabited has been devided up by other countries. So, yeah, the last five years without you were better anyway, so you might as well go jump into the ocean, because I don't give a f* about you!" (Roughly paraphrased.  ) Seriously, she sounded like one of those internet morons: "Thanos was right." "The world needs a purge." Etc...  Really makes me wonder btw, whether Karli and her inner circle had nobody they cared for that got snapped away and then came back with everyone else. Somehow it feels like they didn't, because otherwise their argument shouldn't have been so one-sided. But then again it seems almost statistically impossible. So, yeah, I celebrated when Karli died! And also when Walker didn't! I already thought they were going the old " redemption equal death" route with him, and I'm very glad they didn't. |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 24, 2021 1:29:43 GMT
So, yeah, I celebrated when Karli died! And also when Walker didn't! I already thought they were going the old " redemption equal death" route with him, and I'm very glad they didn't. Even though Walker came to his senses a bit when the armored car was about to fall, I'm not sure about calling him 'redeemed' yet. You might like to google ' Valentina Allegra de Fontaine', the lady in uncomfortable boots who gave him the new costume. I was kind of hoping he'd move to Texas and join the Rangers.
I definitely agree about Sharon's reveal as the Power Broker. First, it wasn't much of a surprise and secondly they pretty much glossed over it. I was expecting Sam to have overheard the exchange since he was so nearby.
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Post by ayanami on Apr 24, 2021 2:15:41 GMT
So, yeah, I celebrated when Karli died! And also when Walker didn't! I already thought they were going the old " redemption equal death" route with him, and I'm very glad they didn't. Even though Walker came to his senses a bit when the armored car was about to fall, I'm not sure about calling him 'redeemed' yet. You might like to google ' Valentina Allegra de Fontaine', the lady in uncomfortable boots who gave him the new costume. I was kind of hoping he'd move to Texas and join the Rangers.
I definitely agree about Sharon's reveal as the Power Broker. First, it wasn't much of a surprise and secondly they pretty much glossed over it. I was expecting Sam to have overheard the exchange since he was so nearby.
Well, it would have been more of a redemption had he died while saving the car and the people in it. Although, you are right, in that case it would have rather been " death equals redemption", not " redemption equals death". My bad. Also, no way am I going to google characters I don't know yet! I don't mind picking some stuff up while reading forum posts or articles or whatever regarding the Marvel universe, but I'm definitely not gonna go out of my way to spoil myself ahead of time! |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 24, 2021 2:35:16 GMT
Even though Walker came to his senses a bit when the armored car was about to fall, I'm not sure about calling him 'redeemed' yet. You might like to google ' Valentina Allegra de Fontaine', the lady in uncomfortable boots who gave him the new costume. I was kind of hoping he'd move to Texas and join the Rangers.
I definitely agree about Sharon's reveal as the Power Broker. First, it wasn't much of a surprise and secondly they pretty much glossed over it. I was expecting Sam to have overheard the exchange since he was so nearby.
Well, it would have been more of a redemption had he died while saving the car and the people in it. Although, you are right, in that case it would have rather been " death equals redemption", not " redemption equals death". My bad. Also, no way am I going to google characters I don't know yet! I don't mind picking some stuff up while reading forum posts or articles or whatever regarding the Marvel universe, but I'm definitely not gonna go out of my way to spoil myself ahead of time! Not quite what I meant about the redemption, but can't explain what I mean without spoiling. It's one of those things that would be recognized instantly by the comic book readers. If you did recognize the name, you and I would probably disagree about whether it would be great if she was played by Mallory Jansen. By the way, I think if you quote you will see the spoiler. It's slightly vague, but you'd probably understand it.
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Post by ayanami on Apr 25, 2021 3:05:57 GMT
Not mine, but I stumbled across this post in a 9gag chat and could not agree more. The part about Bucky is so true, it hurts my soul! |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 25, 2021 10:31:31 GMT
Hey, I'll take this one on, lol... Not mine, but I stumbled across this post in a 9gag chat and could not agree more. The part about Bucky is so true, it hurts my soul! Have to disagree with this one. Something everyone should keep in mind, this is the MCU. Did anyone ask the question, "Why Zemo?" Zemo really wasn't a villain in this series. Except for that one little cold-blooded killing (since he hasn't been deterred from his original motives), he was actually helpful. He even made peace with Bucky, and I wouldn't have been surprised to find out he paid off Sam's boat. I look at Zemo in FaWS as sort of a redemption arc. He wasn't in FaWS to move the plot along (they could have found someone else who may have known some underground contacts), he was there to soften the hate on the guy from Civil War and to develop his character a bit more. And to specifically put him on the Raft, because that's where he needs to be, lol. The writers must have agreed, since they killed 'em all off. Sam's sister served the same purpose as Nakajima. Shows what they were doing for the past 6 months. It is one of the reason's I'd like to see the original script. If they did do a wholesale replacement of the plot, I'm still guessing a lot of Sam's Sisters Boat was some of the filler, and Karli's character could have been substantially different. Well, part of his pardon agreement was no violence, lol. Bucky can still fight when he needs to (except when they make his arm fall off, he should fix that), but he's fighting with a less lethal mindset, I think. He is a different character than the one in Civil War. I think if Rogers actually fought Winter Soldier, it would have been a close match. Walker's abilities may match Roger's. Even the combined efforts of Sam and Bucky had a problem with Walker, so the serum must have granted him enough XP to boost him a quite a few levels...
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Post by TommyWizard on Apr 25, 2021 17:31:03 GMT
also when they all fought him in Civil War he was enabled by Zemo with the trigger words right?
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 25, 2021 18:20:37 GMT
And I was very disappointed that at the end of the show the title card didn't dissolve from "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" to "Captain America and the Winter Soldier." I find it particularly effing bothersome, that there was not only one, but TWO title cards at the end...
 
I swear they didn't say that when I watched the show, lol. They must have changed the production on me between the time I watched it and now... |
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Post by backroadjunkie on Apr 25, 2021 18:28:12 GMT
also when they all fought him in Civil War he was enabled by Zemo with the trigger words right? Yep. It's right after that they trap Winter Soldier in the press and it's revealed there are other super soldiers. Who beat him up like a nerfed bitch, lol...
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Or have the show try to tell me that Sam can't get a bank loan, because him being black somehow trumps the fact that he's an Avenger and has direct connection to some of the richest people in the world. 
) Seriously, she sounded like one of those internet morons: "Thanos was right." "The world needs a purge." Etc... 
